I hear another bill is forthcoming with Tribal support

-Wol

Hope we get internet poker in California this year. Playing anonymous tables at Bovada isn't the answer...

any new updates lately?

Nope - the bill can't be acted upon until Jan 19. Likely won't have a hearing on it until April/May.

You can track the bill yourself here: http://www.legislature.ca.gov/cgi-bi...&author=wright

Or, you can follow my twitter: @gamblinglawhpp

- WOL

thanks

Anyone care to give some quick cliffs?

What are the chances of the bill passing and what is the potential timeframe for getting this bill passed?

If it passes, what would the online poker landscape in CA look like? Does it open the door for FTP/Stars to reenter the CA market or will it only allow new, CA based sites to open up? Or both?

Thanks.

+100, Cliffs would be greatly appreciated ... It is 53 pages long.

Wol ?

Cliffs ITT: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...s#post36299182

Thanks.

I noticed there is a tainted/toxic assets provision, which no other State seems to have proposed/enacted ... altho I am not yet done with the Mississippi bill review.

For example, NJ's bill had a toxic ssets provision, which was removed before passage .... allowing PStars to move ahead.

In contrast, the Reid Bill/proposal/whatever had contained a toxic assets provision that was contagious .... any licensee who used a database could have its license revoked.

Wtf ? As Tamiller described in detail on the prior page, WHY hamstring otherwise qualified licensees in XYZ State, California or otherwise, from starting somewhere higher on the learning curve than the absolute bottom ?

Thanks although I'm still not clear on the specific questions I asked previously:

Timeframe?

Will large, international poker rooms like FTP and Stars be able to have a presence in CA? It says they must be "located" in CA but could Stars set up a headquarters here with customer support, etc and be able to tap into this market? Or are we talking about all new, CA only sites?

No comment on the timeframe, but th apparent answer to your second question as to FTP/PStars is NO, ...... as each accepted players from California after Dec 31, 2006. (There perhaps is an out if either gets found suitble in another State ?)

Got it. Thanks!

There is no bad actors provision in the MS bill. Like in NJ, the MS casinos will be able to use any service provider that can pass muster to get approved by the gaming commission.

The CA bill is indeed different. But I don't think this is the bill that will pass in CA in any case. A competing bill will likely be introduced soon, and whatever might make it through the CA legislature could be a transmogrified amalgamation of the two.

Since CA has plenty of opposition to outsiders, and has the liquidity of European countries I think most bill will try to exclude any outsiders to the states. Poker is coming to CA at some point but I'm not sure interstate or or bad actor allowance will be permitted.

Perhaps, Vegas interests can influence the legislature to move to a more interstate friendly position. Vegas/tribes and card clubs in CA are almost one market in some ways but Vegas is certainly last in the wolf pack.

Any summary of last year's SB 1463 will suffice: this is the exact same bill with only minor changes (to the dates, mostly).

If the legislation is done through the State, I HIGHLY doubt any interstate poker with California. Remember, California stakeholders (tribes, card clubs, horse racing) are very different from Vegas interests -- indeed, the tribes have been the biggest obstacles to any gaming bill and they strongly oppose any bill that allows out-of-state actors (especially NV based entities).

- WOL

SAN MANUEL: Tribe gives $135,000 to Democrats

So what does this mean?

Expect a new an improved (from the Tribe's perspective) internet gaming bill to be introduced soon:

Victor Rocha ‏@VictorRocha1
Just got back from power lunch. Expect a big push for online gaming by the big Cali tribes in the next leg. session. You heard it here first

Approx. time frame if the stars align?

You'll see a pretty big pushback (at least initially) from the card clubs and horse racing operators. Tribes and clubs are almost never on the same side-- that's why COPA was so interesting.

-WOL

Has there been any updates on the CA front regarding online poker being legalized/legislated?

Nope. SB 51 was introduced in December. No hearing has been set yet. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/...0_history.html

Negotations with the stakeholders are being held behind closed doors. Not sure if any progress has been made.

- WOL

Also - this Friday is the last day for any additional bills to be introduced. There have been murmurs that the tribes were going to propose a competing bill (SB 51). That should all clear up on Friday.

- WOL

SB-678 - Internet gambling (Correa) was introduced on the last day possible. It's a "shell"/"spot" bill, and is still being negotiated behind closed doors.

-WOL