If as much governmental (local, states & federal) regulatory constraints were placed before gun ownership as opposed to real money online poker just think of how many lives that could have ACTUALLY had been saved. Read: guns are safe but... real money online poker is dangerous!

Real Money Online Poker legalization can easily be compared to Prohibition in the late 1920-30's. Alcohol was obtainable pre-prohibition and was banned via prohibition. Bootleggers provided consumers with a product that was desired by the general public during prohibition. Would I have cared about who I got alcohol from during prohibition just so long as it wasn't outright poison? My answer is: no. Am I grateful that bootleggers provided me with a product during prohibition that was banned by "well-meaning" hypocritical puritans that readily bribe politicians? My answer is: hell yes! If the banned product during prohibition, was made to be obtainable once again would I revert back to those who provided me with a product during prohibition THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED TO BEGIN WITH? My answer is: hell yes! End of story. :|

Real Money Online Poker legalization can easily be compared to Prohibition in the late 1920-30's. Alcohol was obtainable pre-prohibition and was banned via prohibition. Bootleggers provided consumers with a product that desired by the general public during prohibition. Would I have cared about who I got alcohol from during prohibition just so long as it wasn't outright poison? My answer is: no. Am I grateful that bootleggers provided me with a product during prohibition that was banned by "well-meaning" hypocritical puritans that readily bribe politicians? My answer is: hell yes! If the banned product during prohibition, was made to be obtainable once again would I revert back to those who provided me with a product during prohibition [B]THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED TO BEGIN WITH?[B] My answer is: hell yes! End of story. :|

where are Lucky Luciano, Vito Genovese, Frank Costello, and Arnold Rothstein when you really need them?

Every time I see dipce's name in the "last post" column for this thread, my day gets a little worse.

+1. Tilts me to no end

Jesus. The stupidity in this thread is mind-numbing.

PokerStars is like, THE one site/management on the entire planet I'd want serving NJ. It's like you morons arguing against them didn't know how they existed pre-UIGEA. Or around the world pre and post-UIGEA. What laws are they going to break? What laws have they broken overseas? How about America? Bank fraud and money laundering? Get the **** out of here dude...You might as well charge them with jaywalking for all of us who see through the bull**** care.

This thread is worthless. Everyone knows the AGA's actions in this regard is merely an extension of the protectionist acts that bore out the UIGEA and Black Friday. And their actions deserve to fail if there is any justice in this world.

Merge, Revolution, Bovada, WPN, Chico, PPN, SWC, and etc. It's miserable here in Prohibition 3.0 where the American government likes to deliberately make the same mistake over and over because they're rife with fascist pigs who have never, EVER been interested in free market capitalism.

I actually hold honest criminals (criminals who let their illegal activities hang out for all to see) as considerably more honorable than deceitful criminals who wear a veil of purity whilst they rob the masses blind. Why not promote pure transparency to the casino conglomerate owners that you fawn over? I'm a bit confused as to why you're really anti-PS. Is it just that you cashed a few times in some wsop circuit tourneys and you lust to see their player pools and thus payouts swell in numbers/amounts? Which ONE site do you see yourself as adopting as a home once real money online poker comes online? PS has the best software. Their competitors aren't even a close second. Which site are you going to play on? Will dipce be your screen name?

Your offered list of possible reasoning doesn't include the obvious "He's doing guerrilla forum-warfare for the anti-PS side of the legal battle". It's pretty clear this guy has an agenda and it's also very clear to anyone else that clinging to such straws is silly. Bring in PS. Let the market decide.

QFT. I don't give one crap if they did bank fraud or not, from a player perspective. I want PokerStars and FTP brought back to the US, in unrestricted form, the way it was originally. All that matters is they pay out in a timely manner, have a good player pool, and decent software.

That is what is in the best interest of the players, not some half-assed sites made by companies who aren't even in the market yet, or will create player unfriendly environments with high rake, and that you must be within the borders of a certain state to play. Why even bother at that point? The only good thing about that for players is that it's a step towards legalizing REAL online poker (PokerStars) ... so lets cut the crap and cut to the chase.

Don't even get me started with the government trying to pull stupid crap like taxing tournament winnings as soon as a tournament ends or taxing rake etc. If they want to regulate that the sites must maintain player funds separately, or put in place safeguards, fine... but it should stop there.

Obviously the AGA has some strong motivation to block PS from NJ. This is obvious. Pstars has admitted no wrong doing... but that doesn't necessarily mean they have the good character that is required for licensing. Admitting no wrong doing does not equate to being found not guilty in a court. I'd say this issue will make Pstars look a little bad in the eyes of the regulators but Pstars offering to purchase a sinking ship should make them seem more appealing. This sort of makes it a wash imo.

From a Players perspective we want as many companies making a profit as possible with serious play spread across numerous sites. All this talk about competitors having crappy software etc. is hogwash. Given the budget that Caesars has to throw behind their product would indicate that the software should be excellent.

If Caesars thought that they could make a bigger profit by having its players use punched cards as the primary medium for data entry, they would not hesitate to do so...

Caesars will be using software from their French partner, whose name escapes me. I have been told by someone who has knowledge and whose opinion is reliable, it is good....... It is a re-skinning of software used in France, so it should be at leats good enough to pass regulatory review and launch by the end of June at the very latest .....

If it does pass muster, which it clearly should, expect a couple of FREE online satellites for the Main Event, siging up a couple of thousand genuine poker players in town fo the WSOP.

FYP.

thank you. I was just curious if anyone on this forum was old enough to know what 'punched cards' were. But I am glad this forum has someone in touch with CET's positions. There is more to the world than PS talking points...Incidentally, what do you think of the MGM petition to keep its N.J. casino license? And do you think a third party should intervene to be sure the NJ CCC gets all three sides of the story? PS side, the AGA side, and the most important, Stanley Ho side?
see, http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf...p_its_new.html

pokerstars pays me to post their talking points, what's your excuse?

wp sir!

I do not think PStars has a "side" re the MGM attempt to return to New Jersey. I have never known Pstars to be anti-competitive with respect to licensing matters. I doubt they have ever intervened in some one else's licensing.

It would be a longshot, but certainly just karma for Caesars, if PStars and MGM both get B&M and online NJ approval, and then PStars offers a NJ B2B skin to MGM

As for Caesars' karma, I heard they've had their own recent issues with the NJ Casino Commission, related to some disreputable treatment of one of their players...... Some folks may believe that $250,000 fine is unrelated to the AGA crapping all over the NJ Casino Commission over its inability to recognize poor character in operators. Judge for yourselves:

"Despite the fact that all this activity took place in Nevada, New Jersey regulators said Caesars conduct, if left unchallenged, "might reflect on the reputation of the state of New Jersey" and bring discredit to the casino industry"

Read more: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013...#ixzz2PBHSV7ur

ok, thanks! and I naively thought everything that happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Wow, dipce, you are making this thread virtually unreadable.

You stated your opinion numerous times. Can we move on?

I was gonna say the same thing. Obv you don't have to leave, and obv people here are not going to agree with you....

Can we just end it here? Agree to disagree so we can actually be updated as to what is happening now?

not only very funny, but also not surprising after I read the article at the link:

http://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-room...meeting-13-03/

I do not agree, by the way, that a third party should not be allowed to make a relevant argument before the NJ CCC. In other words if you support PS, the NJ CCC should allow you to present an argument to that effect before it makes an initial determination. The NJ CCC is the first to determine the facts before the question may be appealed and as the initial body to make a determination it has a duty to hear from anyone with a relevant argument, not only the applicant, and certainly not only the applicant and a body of the local greedheads in the community. Public citizens I think also have a duty to speak out and be heard. Why not organize a road trip to the NJ CCC and demand that your views in support of PS be heard if you feel so strongly about it?

"...But that's a job for state regulators - who are quite capable of doing it without any help from PokerStars' chief competitor..."

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/o...f95c305c0.html

but, 'Player reps sign non-disclosure agreements as a condition of going, so these areas of discussion and feedback cannot be communicated to a wider audience.'

what did dinner look like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojgy7kyNp5g

'...they would like at least one New Jersey resident to join the discussions...'

would you like to volunteer?