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03-05-2008 , 07:33 PM

Unknown Soldier

Soulja Boy

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12,238

1knl, 1st hand at table, $1000 eff stacks

folded to complete unknown in sb. He raises to $30. You call with A

flop: K

(pot bit less then $60)

sb bets $45, you?

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03-05-2008 , 07:59 PM

abdaar

old hand

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raisy daisy.

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03-05-2008 , 08:14 PM

Nick Royale

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I call.

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03-05-2008 , 08:40 PM

JDLade

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easy spot for a raise. Hes cbetting here a great deal of the time. Hes only coming over the top if he has a monster, so you'll see another card even if he has a high K.

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03-05-2008 , 08:50 PM

Big_Jim

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03-05-2008 , 08:51 PM

Unknown Soldier

Soulja Boy

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he's unknown big guy

mixing it up is baaad

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03-05-2008 , 08:52 PM

Big_Jim

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

mixing it up is baaad

lol are you joking?

Maybe it's not optimal, but saying it's "baaad" is just stupid, since neither option is bad.

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03-05-2008 , 08:54 PM

Unknown Soldier

Soulja Boy

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well why take the non-optimal line ever? (w/o any dynamics or w/e)

I'm not joking either, in this spot it might not be terrible, but purely by principle it's bad imo. You should always know why you are doing what you are doing. So what makes you decide when to mix it up here? Or is it just an irrational feeling?

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03-05-2008 , 08:56 PM

Yeti

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call.

and call.

then

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03-05-2008 , 08:56 PM

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Big_Jim

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in this spot it might not be terrible

I fail to see how either option could ever be poor, vs an unknown.

Last edited by Big_Jim; 03-05-2008 at 08:59 PM. Reason: removed statement that he was gonna just say "but we have no metagame deception doesn't matter" etc

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03-05-2008 , 08:58 PM

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Unknown Soldier

Soulja Boy

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quote the whole thing plz - bit with brackets included. i agree with your quote, but that's not what i said.

2nd quote - yeah for sure, but one is better then the other, right?

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03-05-2008 , 09:01 PM

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Big_Jim

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You should always know why you are doing what you are doing. So what makes you decide when to mix it up here? Or is it just an irrational feeling?

I can show that either play is +EV very easily, and since figuring out which play is better requires a ton of speculation about ranges/future actions that we have no idea about, I choose not to waste my time with said speculation, and instead, mix it up.

You have a nut draw in position, with a lot of money behind. Why would you always do the same thing?

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03-05-2008 , 09:02 PM

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Unknown Soldier

Soulja Boy

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so when you are sat in this exact spot what decides what you do? flip a coin? (not that that's a bad thing if you think both are as good as eachother)

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03-05-2008 , 09:11 PM

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Big_Jim

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what decides what you do? flip a coin?

I suppose I just go with what feels good at the time.

Caro's Law of Loose Wiring

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03-06-2008 , 05:40 AM

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piscogay

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 251

raise and call all in

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03-06-2008 , 06:34 AM

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fees

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Originally Posted by Nick Royale

I call.

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03-06-2008 , 06:37 AM

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$upermad4it

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I raise

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03-06-2008 , 07:32 AM

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Some9

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,514

vs unknown raising is the clearly superior option. I'm suprised why so many people feel differently.

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03-06-2008 , 07:44 AM

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Rotating Rabbit

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,591

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Originally Posted by Big_Jim

I can show that either play is +EV very easily, and since figuring out which play is better requires a ton of speculation ....

Like do you not see how silly this sentence is? Its like the whole point of poker.

+100$ EV compared to +$50 EV is just as important as +$30 compared to $-20

I know you know this, I just find it surprising you wrote what you wrote

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03-24-2008 , 08:21 AM

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wiMp222

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I call, but really think both is good. When you're floating it isn't that obvious that you have a nfd. Since most players would rais (according to this post) you're also building a big pot against an unknown who we don't know anything about which can get us into trouble if we spike don't spike a flush. I like keeping the pot small against an unknown in this spot tbh.

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03-24-2008 , 08:30 AM

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fees

LAPT San Jose Winner

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Originally Posted by Nick Royale

I call.

yeah me and nick r on the same train of thought on this spot i feel like calling is far superior to raising

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03-24-2008 , 08:31 AM

#22

fees

LAPT San Jose Winner

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

he's unknown big guy

mixing it up is baaad

also QFT

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03-24-2008 , 09:31 AM

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pureklas

Pooh-Bah

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Originally Posted by Some9

vs unknown raising is the clearly superior option. .

Why? I call.

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03-24-2008 , 10:23 AM

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krmont22

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I think both options are good. The real decision is when you have some history with the SB.

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03-24-2008 , 11:31 AM

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jfish

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raise vs nearly everybody early in my history with them.

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