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Vegas 2/5 deep, flopped middle set, SB vs BB Vegas 2/5 deep, flopped middle set, SB vs BB

05-28-2019 , 03:44 AM
Vegas pre wsop. weird SB vs BB spot.

Villain BB $2400 euro pro in town for wsop. seems solid, not much history.

Hero $1900 in SB with 66

folds to H in SB we bet $20, V raises to $65 we call

Flop ($130) 673 I check, V bets $75, I raise $220, V calls

Turn ($570) 2 I check, V bets $315, I call

River ($1200) 4 I check, V bets $625...

I think this is a pretty clear fold here with this runout. Could Hero have played the hand differently at all?

Any merit in calling off here?
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05-28-2019 , 03:43 PM
I would have bet the Turn 350-400 and checked River. If faced with a large river bet I would probably fold if I don't have any history with villain.
If I am raised on the turn I would call and probably check-fold to a river shove
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05-29-2019 , 02:03 PM
After checking turn and river, I'm not sure I can fold.
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05-29-2019 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
After checking turn and river, I'm not sure I can fold.
+1 though I go back and forth based on our flop c/r. The river sizing is also pretty enticing to call with a hand so high in our range and holding a 6s which might block some flushes in villain's range.

Edit: Also BvB vs pro so could be fairly wide 3 betting and barrelling range.
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05-30-2019 , 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by just_grindin
+1 though I go back and forth based on our flop c/r. The river sizing is also pretty enticing to call with a hand so high in our range and holding a 6s which might block some flushes in villain's range.

Edit: Also BvB vs pro so could be fairly wide 3 betting and barrelling range.
Thanks for the responses. In hand, I actually had the same thought process as you, and I did call off. He showed 95ss. While I’m high up in my range the board is just so dirty for our hand... also his sizing is so valueyyyy. Not saying he can’t be bluffing here, but I’m thinking his value range on the river here greatly outweighs his bluffing range with the second barrel and the draw coming in on the turn....
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05-30-2019 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kingslay3r
Thanks for the responses. In hand, I actually had the same thought process as you, and I did call off. He showed 95ss. While I’m high up in my range the board is just so dirty for our hand... also his sizing is so valueyyyy. Not saying he can’t be bluffing here, but I’m thinking his value range on the river here greatly outweighs his bluffing range with the second barrel and the draw coming in on the turn....
All very good points. I know you know this but to put it out there just because you lost this time doesn't mean your play was wrong. I mean we fully expect him to be value betting flushes here and it won't take many bluff combos for a half pot bet size to make the call profitable.

I mean even if he is over bluffing here and you have something like 30% equity you're going to lose something like 70% of the times you call.
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06-13-2019 , 07:29 AM
I like betting turn, cause we want to bet all of our flushes and backdoor bluffs if we have any and if the board pairs we have already built pot to win much more and put villain in a hard spot if he has flushes or straights.

I'd also consider limping preflop if you know he's a solid pro to play smaller pot with a hand that is not that easy to play OOP.
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06-18-2019 , 06:34 PM
I think you need to bet turn too. If you had the draw and got there, you'd be betting. Also, he can be betting with an overpair. He did 3b pf after all. Pros are not so skittish when the obvious draw gets there, especially when you check after cbing flop. That means it might make a great xr spot here and there w Axss.
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06-18-2019 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Depraved Luke
I would have bet the Turn 350-400 and checked River. If faced with a large river bet I would probably fold if I don't have any history with villain.
If I am raised on the turn I would call and probably check-fold to a river shove
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
After checking turn and river, I'm not sure I can fold.
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Originally Posted by silent_poultry
I like betting turn, cause we want to bet all of our flushes and backdoor bluffs if we have any and if the board pairs we have already built pot to win much more and put villain in a hard spot if he has flushes or straights.

I'd also consider limping preflop if you know he's a solid pro to play smaller pot with a hand that is not that easy to play OOP.
+1... or is it +3?
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06-18-2019 , 09:41 PM
Never folding 66 with a spade blocker here. 89, 9T are possible. AK/Q/J with a spade. KQ with a spade
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06-25-2019 , 07:04 PM
X-R bigger on flop , Bet turn.
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06-25-2019 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by civ77
Never folding 66 with a spade blocker here. 89, 9T are possible. AK/Q/J with a spade. KQ with a spade

You think the villain is bet calling on flop with K q ?
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06-26-2019 , 11:43 AM
Most likely he missed this flop. its a low board that hits our range a lot harder and i think hes going to fold a lot of the time when we raise. I am not worried about the flush draw either. I would flat the flop hope some over cards come to give him a pair. I would him on big cards or like big Ax hand that has the A of spades in it and he might try to rep the flush. He would have to show me he reraised me from bb and hit a flush. A straight really isnt in his range so this line makes no sense to me. Its a tough spot but i think I am pretty happy with my set here nad calling this one off cause the river is actually a good card for us cause now its just flush or nothing spot . He is gonna have to show me he hit a flush after he 3b me from sb. You think he is iso you iwth 45 or 55 hes not 3b those hands. He has big cards and probably blocker spade with A or K. I think this is a bad fold unless you know hes 3b low cards with 5s in it. It just seems odd to me like hes just bluffing here. If he has a flush he has it but I don't think he has one has often as he would be just bluffing with a blocker to rep one. He has position and he can easily just have 2 over cards with back door flush draw here when he calls flop raise cause you guys are pretty deep he has more room to maneuver with wider range

Last edited by iburydoscocaroaches; 06-26-2019 at 11:49 AM.
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06-26-2019 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by civ77
Never folding 66 with a spade blocker here. 89, 9T are possible. AK/Q/J with a spade. KQ with a spade
Ya i am never folding here either if he has a flush from bb i have to see it. Looks like a bunch of bull to me.
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06-26-2019 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by silent_poultry
I like betting turn, cause we want to bet all of our flushes and backdoor bluffs if we have any and if the board pairs we have already built pot to win much more and put villain in a hard spot if he has flushes or straights.

I'd also consider limping preflop if you know he's a solid pro to play smaller pot with a hand that is not that easy to play OOP.
Ya we still beat a ton of the villains range this isn't a multi pot situation this is hu situation sb vs bb we are ahead here most of the time need to bet again i agree cause over pairs still gonna call again especially with a spade. I agree with this to just limp the sb. Spot on with this answer.
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06-27-2019 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Showay
You think the villain is bet calling on flop with K q ?
It’s possible. Certain players get sticky and try hard from these positions. This flop is one that gets check raise bluffed a lot so I could see a thinking villain float a two overcard with bdfd hand.
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06-27-2019 , 10:38 PM
lol at thinking they are floating ksqx what sort of wizards do you play with at low stakes NLH? this is two-five live.

this is almost always a flush imo

ahaaaa i didnt even see results and now looked and it was 95ss ofc it was lul. these games are usually so straightforward.
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06-28-2019 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by WateryBoil
lol at thinking they are floating ksqx what sort of wizards do you play with at low stakes NLH? this is two-five live.

this is almost always a flush imo

ahaaaa i didnt even see results and now looked and it was 95ss ofc it was lul. these games are usually so straightforward.
Same haha. I was reading responses and was like wtf
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07-02-2019 , 11:40 AM
As played I'm calling the river. I would cr Flop bigger and bet turn. CF river most likely.
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07-24-2019 , 05:12 AM
i play the hand the same way but i suck
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07-24-2019 , 06:22 PM
I don't see a lot of ways villain is going to show up with a bluff here. Flop action massively weights him towards flushes (don't think he has many straights here given preflop and flop action). For bluffs you might see 89s (3 combos we beat) and 9Ts (3 combos we beat). Hard to imagine much else although I may need to think more.

The fact we checked turn and river isn't a concern for me folding river, and I am not betting turn unlike others here. In my view betting turn overreps our hand and puts us in a bad spot if we get raised, but we can instead happily check/call. Additionally, we can and should have flushes after checking this turn too. This is a good example of why you cant just always be betting. You don't want your turn checking range to be so weak that you get owned whenever you check here... or that you feel compelled to call river.

I would size up that flop check raise. This is a dangerous wet board and we are deep OOP. Make it probably 325. Balance it with a hand like A4, A5, A8, combo draws maybe. I don't know if thats properly balanced or makes sense... typing this up quickly at work.
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