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04-07-2019 , 01:23 AM
UTG: 106.24 BB (VPIP: 37.18, PFR: 31.05, 3Bet Preflop: 11.32, Hands: 287)
MP: 128 BB (VPIP: 23.29, PFR: 17.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.00, Hands: 254)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.14, PFR: 15.43, 3Bet Preflop: 3.59, Hands: 482)
BTN: 70.44 BB (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 64)
SB: 110.56 BB (VPIP: 20.14, PFR: 18.06, 3Bet Preflop: 9.60, Hands: 732)
Hero (BB): 132.16 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A T

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) T 6 A
Hero checks, UTG bets 4.48 BB, MP calls 4.48 BB, Hero raises to 18.32 BB, UTG calls 13.84 BB, MP raises to 125 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

MP wins 61.48 BB

It's a good fold or not ?
Top two is my top range ,but MP is not an aggressive player, the board is dry,his range may AdTd ,66,TT, i don't think he would ALLIN with A6s,so i was very behind his range ,then i made a fold
He had no raise flop in 13 hands
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04-07-2019 , 10:01 AM
The fold looks solid. You should be a lot behind his stack-off range (66,TT,AT), and there aren't any natural draws to make this play with. You're also a bit protected by UTG who should also still have sets in his range.
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04-08-2019 , 12:15 PM
The problem is when opponent's value range is super narrow it doesn't take much to create a profitable call.

I think you have to call off 106 into 161 which means you need about 37% equity to make the call break even.

AA, 66, TT all beat you which is 5 combos.

X/(5+X) = .37

.63X = .37*5

X = (.37/.63)*5

X = 2.9 combos

So only 3 random combos you beat to make it profitable. I mean it's not exactly that due to ties and equity but you can see it doesn't take him doing this with too many combis like AK or A6 to make this a call.

It's probably an ok exploitive fold given the betsize and some lack of draws to use as bluffs but I wouldn't make a habit of folding this regularly.
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04-11-2019 , 09:21 AM
In a 3-way pot with 2 streets to get chips in why shove on the flop with a set? Wouldn't V be at least somewhat likely to flat his sets? Why kill the action on the flop by shoving on a dry board where there is no real likelihood of getting outdrawn?
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04-11-2019 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pot_committed
In a 3-way pot with 2 streets to get chips in why shove on the flop with a set? Wouldn't V be at least somewhat likely to flat his sets? Why kill the action on the flop by shoving on a dry board where there is no real likelihood of getting outdrawn?
Depends on player experience at the table. If he is thinking of max gain, yes he should call, but a lot of people get caught up in the moment. He initially called the bet on the flop. Hero Raises, UTG calls and MP goes all in. It's still an over bet and not as profitable play, but, for a non professional, raise isn't the wrong move either.
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04-11-2019 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NinjaIKing
Depends on player experience at the table. If he is thinking of max gain, yes he should call, but a lot of people get caught up in the moment. He initially called the bet on the flop. Hero Raises, UTG calls and MP goes all in. It's still an over bet and not as profitable play, but, for a non professional, raise isn't the wrong move either.
If I understand, what you are saying is that V should probably call his set, but he might get caught up in the moment and shove. I agree. By the same logic, a lot of players might get caught up in the moment, decide they are never folding their big A on that board, close their eyes, and shove. My point is that once you assume V is flatting a significant percentage of his sets, AK and even AQ (or worse) become a bigger part of his shove range. This increases the value of calling.
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04-12-2019 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pot_committed
If I understand, what you are saying is that V should probably call his set, but he might get caught up in the moment and shove. I agree. By the same logic, a lot of players might get caught up in the moment, decide they are never folding their big A on that board, close their eyes, and shove. My point is that once you assume V is flatting a significant percentage of his sets, AK and even AQ (or worse) become a bigger part of his shove range. This increases the value of calling.
Good Point!
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04-18-2019 , 07:42 PM
What site and limit is this on? If 66 is in MP cc range he can have ATs and maybe A6s too. Without those TT is 1 combo...


You can't fold without a good read that he is solid.


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He had no raise flop in 13 hands
Are statistics a joke to you? lol


Even if you mean 0 out of 13 possibilities to raise flop, it's meaningless.
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04-24-2019 , 04:22 PM
Are kids now a days folding top 2 here.I always see monsters under the bed never a fold. If its a set wipe your chin take a read but cant see nothing wrong with a call.But again depends on stakes and the particulars.Oh and I hope the FR is in your repertoire on this run out otherwise a man like me will send you to the poor house very quick.Oh and dont listen to the haters AK/AQ/AJ/ makes this move on this board as villains range is just so strong compared to heros perceived range.

Last edited by hitman4hire; 04-24-2019 at 04:41 PM.
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04-26-2019 , 09:05 AM
If he only has AA(1 combo), TT (1 combo), 66(3 combos) and A6s (2 combos) you have 37% equity. I dont think he would do that with AA as he would probably 3 bet it pre and would he flat 66s vs UTG 3x open?? but if you put AK and AQ in his range you are crushing with 70% equity. Not even mentioning hand like a gutshot with a BFD. I think its a call unless u have a read that the vilain has no bluffs in this spot.
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04-27-2019 , 08:44 PM
Most people will call 66 preflop here, I cant think of a good reason to discount that. It is also totally conceivable that TT, 66 play this way postflop. A6s... he might 3bet this preflop vs UTG, but he might just flat too (see this a lot). AK? I think this is unlikely given our check raise and UTGs call of our check raise - AK would be kind of dreaming to expect worse to call here and should be concsious of potentially jamming into a set or two pair. Maybe only if he was tilted.

Against a range of TT, 66, AK (5%), A6s (50%), its almost breakeven (-1%). This seems to be consistent with my initial reaction that this is going to be close. Because we are dealing with such a narrow range here, it can go either way. I think eliminating AK from his range is a fine assumption, but if we cant also discount A6s then its a call. To be honest I think its hard to discount A6s so I think the correct decision is to call.

I dont fault the fold though. I have access to a range analyzer and am not under time pressure to construct the range accurately. In the moment I might fold too.

Final note. This hand really isnt worth spending too much time worrying about. This is a very unusual spot with a close to zero EV decision.
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05-03-2019 , 02:19 PM
Decent fold vs this V type
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06-13-2019 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Dobey
UTG: 106.24 BB (VPIP: 37.18, PFR: 31.05, 3Bet Preflop: 11.32, Hands: 287)
MP: 128 BB (VPIP: 23.29, PFR: 17.67, 3Bet Preflop: 7.00, Hands: 254)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.14, PFR: 15.43, 3Bet Preflop: 3.59, Hands: 482)
BTN: 70.44 BB (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 64)
SB: 110.56 BB (VPIP: 20.14, PFR: 18.06, 3Bet Preflop: 9.60, Hands: 732)
Hero (BB): 132.16 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A T

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) T 6 A
Hero checks, UTG bets 4.48 BB, MP calls 4.48 BB, Hero raises to 18.32 BB, UTG calls 13.84 BB, MP raises to 125 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

MP wins 61.48 BB

It's a good fold or not ?
Top two is my top range ,but MP is not an aggressive player, the board is dry,his range may AdTd ,66,TT, i don't think he would ALLIN with A6s,so i was very behind his range ,then i made a fold
He had no raise flop in 13 hands
As played, I'm calling. I don't think he really shoves a set here with no real draws.
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