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Tilt inducing spot vs fish Tilt inducing spot vs fish

04-17-2018 , 03:12 PM
Im playing 3 handed vs 2 fish
Stacks are 50bb effective with bb

I open otb 2.5x and fish defends his bb.

Flop comes K K K ( trips kings) and fish who hasn't been to out of line so far donks out 70% pot. What do I do here with 70-75% of my hands that totally missed the flop?

Didnt really have a read on the fish so should I just play super honest and fold or should I do some clickaments?

Its not a everyday spot for sure but some thoughts would be fun anyway.
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04-17-2018 , 03:16 PM
Yeah I’m letting it go in these spots. In live play this is often a pocket pair, flopped boat, but has exposure to overs... ie 22-99,TT. I may float w AJ+ but folding turn to continued aggression and no improvement...
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04-19-2018 , 02:50 PM
Calling with any pocket pair and probably AT+. Obv also call with Kx.
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04-19-2018 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
Calling with any pocket pair and probably AT+. Obv also call with Kx.
Agreed.

Also, why is this tilt inducing? Seems pretty standard to me...
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04-20-2018 , 03:06 AM
This is extremely exploitable but I'll often just make a large flop raise in these kind of spots with probably the bottom 90% of my range, then I'll flat call with the top 10% of my range. If you don't take it down on the flop, you'll almost certainly take it down after a turn barrel. And if that doesn't work either, then there's a good chance he has quads and you can just give up on the river.
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04-20-2018 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
This is extremely exploitable but I'll often just make a large flop raise in these kind of spots with probably the bottom 90% of my range, then I'll flat call with the top 10% of my range. If you don't take it down on the flop, you'll almost certainly take it down after a turn barrel. And if that doesn't work either, then there's a good chance he has quads and you can just give up on the river.
1 Problem with that is that we are only 50bb deep and a large flop raise will leave about pot size on the turn with alot of hands that we will be forced to give up with.

Reason it's tilt inducing is because fish is basically and unknowingly exploiting us if he does this with air.
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04-20-2018 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
This is extremely exploitable but I'll often just make a large flop raise in these kind of spots with probably the bottom 90% of my range, then I'll flat call with the top 10% of my range. If you don't take it down on the flop, you'll almost certainly take it down after a turn barrel. And if that doesn't work either, then there's a good chance he has quads and you can just give up on the river.
I think this is pretty bad. That line looks FOS to me I’m not convinced you get players to fold pocket pairs here. All you’re doing is folding out the air that we might just be ahead of if we took a wider flagging range
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04-20-2018 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lonkaren
1 Problem with that is that we are only 50bb deep and a large flop raise will leave about pot size on the turn with alot of hands that we will be forced to give up with.

Reason it's tilt inducing is because fish is basically and unknowingly exploiting us if he does this with air.
He’s only exploring us if we fold to his air bets. If you think he’s FOS, call him down.
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04-22-2018 , 07:43 PM
I think it's close with A5, Q9, J9, T9, round about.

Better than that call, worse than that fold, with those hands, up to you / your reads.



I think a small bluff raise can work well here, as he is not donking quads, but is generally on pp and random hands. The random hands fold directly and against the pockets you can keep the pressure going on high cards. So great hands for bluff raising would be T9 or 98 with 2 overs to his likely ppairs while being able to bluff on high card turns. With 50bb stacks though, it's possible he never folds a hand like 66, even if the board comes in scary. So wouldn't do this if he was unknown; only if I knew he can fold sometimes. Say <35 VPIP fish go for it, >50 VPIP do not.
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04-23-2018 , 01:09 PM
Fish can flop good, you don't have anything invested in the hand. What are your actual holdings?
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