I recently moved up from the 2/5-5/10 to a good 25/25 game. I find myself getting re-raised a lot out of position with top pr. I am wondering if it's just a piece of my game that I am lacking if the table knows I am liable to dump top pair with top pair.

Any advice on how to play top pr out of position in a 25/25 game?

Example- I have jack 10 suited clubs on the BB. I get 5 callers and I pop to 200. Three callers. Flop comes 10, 7,2 two hearts. I lead out for 600. (2/3's pot) I raised to 2200- where do I go from there? Overprs, sets, hearts. I feel like this question is somewhat obscure/obvious but are most people in that spot checking it back most times?

I would advise against bloating a pot with a marginal hand when unlikely to get folds pre while out of position. This specific situation came up because of your preflop play.

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I can vibe with this...

Lets say it was AQ and a Q 5 9 board came out. You checking that back early into 3/4 other players?

NOTE- I am usually not as deep as some.

If I hit top top I need to get it in there huh? If they have an overpair or set god bless?

I just feel like there are so many better spots in this game.

If you’re first to act you’re not “checking it back” you’re just checking.

1. In your first example, I’m absolutely not raising JTs from the BB after 4 limpers. That kind of hand plays pretty well post flop in a multiway pot, so in the described spot I’m checking my option from the BB, then checking the flop when I flop top pair and evaluating based on the flop action.

2. You mentioned you’re buying in short? How many BB? Is it a super deep game? Depending on how short, with a hand like AQ if you’re struggling to play it post OOP, then 3!/4! Jam pre.


One of the things I’d be really conscious of is playing multiway pots OOP with marginal starting hands. Particularly in a game that big. It’s just lighting money on fire.

I am usually 150-175 BB's deep in that game. There are several guys 300 BB's deep.

I agree 100%, I have tightened up a bit and the J10 raise was a bit reckless. If I jam my stack with AQ someone smack me in the nuts.

Thank you for the feedback and yes I agree, tighten up junior.

Ok yeah with >75BB I’m def not advocating 3 bet shipping AQ and worse. The deeper these games get the easier it is to make a mistake and the more devastating the mistakes become. I’ll play 5/10 and play my typical LAGgy style but 10/25, 25/25, 25/50 is some thin air —

Yeap- a 3 bet can mean 2500 bucks. LOL

It much easier to stomach a 200 dollar 3 bet on the 2/5.

My issue is the guys I am playing with are millionaires and I am not. When they shove 6k on a draw its a chip off the block. My hands shake pushing 6k preflop w aces. Totally different games.

I am actually working on the idea that chip denominations dont matter but its not easy when you see 3 thousand dollar chips fly your way when you on have top pair.

Where did you find a 25-50 game where you get 5 limpers preflop?

this lol.

and don't jack up pots oop with JTs or AQ.

Agree. It was a total anomaly and a weird hand so I was more just trying to take it down there thinking everyone had borderline hands. I wasnt expecting a call much less a raise. Limpers for 100 to 700 is a big raise.

all I can say is this is one of my least favorite spots in the entire game. I find myself flatting (maybe too much?) to re assess turn.

also bloating the pot (JTs) when you don't have position is a recipe for disaster usually. even if you hit, someone that was willing to call your raise is probably working on some sort of broadway draw at the minimum assuming you hit with your JT, and are presented with a great chance to donk lead/semi bluff at you.

For some of your top pair hands OOP, you should be checking it back. You don't always have to bet it. In multiway pots your hands are going to need to be a lot stronger than say a heads up pot.

With AQ on Q95r board you are going to want to call a re-raise from most players, but proceed cautiously because your hand isn't all that strong. Keep your eye on the possible draws out there.

Be careful in these games. Never risk more than you are willing to lose. If you are finding yourself shaking pushing with 6k then it could be a sign that you are playing higher than you are comfortable with which will show up in your play.

Great advice. I am getting comfortable in this game and my bankroll can handle it because I make a good living. I am net positive overall in the game and wont go too crazy.

I actually have to put more check backs in my game at this level. I almost feel like the best course of action is check calling. Lots of bluffs being mixed in and unless there's a paired board, a flush or straight out there a check call is a good move. I used to blast the board C betting more but the game has since evolved. Thanks again.

Out of position multiway you should be checking your entire range on most boards (there are a few exceptions).

If I had AQ on Q95 multiway after isolating I'd just check, and probably checkraise and play for stacks vs anyone that bets. I think this is much more effective than leading out yourself.

In your hand with JT on T82 I'd probably check and check-call that hand, and play from there. The handstrength is not strong enough to bet even if I did decide to have a betting range here.

Try to pay attention to what hands people are raising with. You should be able to see some showdowns. When people are doing it a lot, unless they are running hot, they are playing their range aggressively by either raising marginal pairs or lots of draws. Vs that type of strategy you'd actualyl want to bet-3bet AQ on Q95 rather than betcall, and possibly bet3bet JT on T82 as well (though it sounds a bit weak in a 5way pot, i'd probably go with a stronger hand).

Also as an exploit, if you're getting raised a lot, don't bet hands that you're going to be bet-folding.

This advice is so on point. I started playing a much bigger game a few months ago and kept running into this spot. I would always fold to pressure and a few of the pros knew this about my play. I was coming from a 2/5 or 5/10 where if led out most of the time you were not getting raised by someone in position.

The table is ultra aggro so most times my ten is good on the T82 board. I have been check calling to showdowns a bit more these days. It was something I always had in the holster but wouldnt pull all that often.

I think I was just playing a little scared at first due to the jump in size. I was paranoid of getting outdrawn on and wanted to end hand there and pick up the pot post flop.

I have since amended my play for the most part and only lead out early when I have really big hands or draws, especially when one or two of the guys in front are aggressive position raising types.

I don’t play anywhere near this high, but I think this most is the most significant. Sounds like you’re underrolled. That’s not always a problem. Sometimes it’s ok to play higher if the game is good. This post shows that the money means too much to you and may cause you to make less than profitable decisions at the table. I speak from experience.