Hello, this is my first post, so sorry if the format is bad.

6-Handed $3/6; $800 effective.

Hero is dealt Q Q on the Button.

UTG Player raises to $15. (VPIP 9%, PFR 9%, Steal 12%, 3B 0% after 80 hands)
Folds around to Hero.
Hero raises to $45.
Folds back over to UTG Player.
Player calls.

Flop is A Q 3
Player checks.
Hero bets $55.
Player calls.

Turn is 7
Player checks.
Hero bets $170.
Player calls.

River is 8
Player checks.
Hero bets $530.
Player calls.

Showdown:
Hero: Q Q for Three of a Kind Queens
Player: A A for Three of a Kind Aces


Is shoving the river here too thin? The player was playing very tight and very passive, and there were no conceivable draws that warranted both a call on the flop and river.

I was 3-betting approx. 11% of hands, and he was calling 3-bets (none were against me) 50% of the time, with a sample size of 2.

Reviewing this hand, I'm thinking that shoving here may be too thin, given that there was only one combination of AQ suited left in the deck, which is probably the only hand I get value from on the river. There is a possibility that he has kings, but given his play style, I do not believe he would ever call three streets with an ace on the board.

Is this a spot where value betting middle set on an unsuited, unconnected board actually bad, or am I just going crazy?

Not too thin. He will 4-bet some of the time with AA and probably flat pre a lot of the time with AK, so you're getting nice value from that hand. Also he has all AQ and weaker sets. AJ too. Nice hand.

But would he call 3 streets of value down with AK? I just feel like the hands that will call a river shove after two streets of betting has to at least be stronger than one pair, and I block AQ too heavily, so it just seems that his calling range is heavily weighted towards aces.

Meh seems fine, the fact he has 0% 3b after 80 hands is pretty alarming tho

If you're not shoving queens for value here you only shove aces? Seems terrible. This is just complaining about a cooler in the disguise of asking about a hand. Obviously you value bet second nuts

Right. I mean he checked the river...I'd say 90-95% of people are betting this river. Unless you have some super sharp tell on the guy, Shoving is the correct play.

I mean what if you bet only like 300 and he shoves? You're never folding and if you are, you're not playing correctly.

EDIT: I meant to say 90-95% of people who have three aces are betting this river.

I don't understand, is this entire thread a troll?

Just pointing out here that v has 3 combos of AA and 3 of AQ. It's not a good idea to throw around buzzwords like "blockers" when you're not just doing the easy math here.

If v ever calls w/ AK, AJ, or somehow has 3s here (assuming AQ calls, ofc) shove is super +EV.

On second thought though, this begs the question of whether or not the shove is optimal--if we want to get value from AK and AJ, we can consider betting smaller, since we're break even with AQ and AA (assuming both check/shove). Guess it's everyone's favorite answer: villain dependent.

With OP’s reads is a smaller turn bet and river bet possibly optimal to get value from AQs and AK? I’d like to point out that many villains fold AQo to the 3 bet preflop here (regardless of whether that’s good or not).

That being said I would normally take OP’s line, and perhaps bet larger on flop. If we think he has AQo in his range we need to 3 barrell hard all day, and make sure he’s mostly pot commited by the river

His nittiness is an indication that his playing skills are not up to par which is why he plays so few hands. I would expect him to get married to his hands since he barely gets to play. AK and even KK are not out of the question.

I'm jamming this river all day against this guy. If he has AA then so ****ing be it. Imagine all the times you'll be able to 3-bet bluff and get to see a flop automatically.

Sounds like u just want a place to cry about a bad beat. I am value betting every set in this hand and AQ in most cases and in some cases any two pr.

Its ridiculous not to value bet. I value shove. Sorry you got coolered but clearly thats all.

wow he owned u

wtf is this thread

80 hands is not a sample for anything.. his stats make it a bit more likely he is solid than spewy but that's about it


That's a waste of brain resources


AQ3 you should cbet smaller, turn size is fine, river jam of course. AK is close, probably not a jam here, while A3 is a jam.

IF villain only calls aa here. Then you can 3 barrel and rip river with any 2 and print

Easiest river rip in in planet