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12-14-2018 , 12:54 AM

grimorum

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 33

INFO
Local Card club casino
10 players in a no limit table
2-3-5 are the blinds.
5 players limp in.
Flop 3, 4, 7.
Flush draw on the board
UTG does not play many hands and he limps in with AK
Mid position player is not tight and not loose either

THE BETS
Pot: About $19
UTG: Bets $15
Mid position calls.
Another Mid position calls
I am on the button with two pairs: 3 and 7 and I raised it to $115

WHAT DO THEY HAVE?
UTG: All in $450
Mid position calls $450
One player folded.
I have $250

Should I call or fold?
What hands do you think they have?

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12-14-2018 , 12:57 AM

caleb1rules

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Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 43

Overpair high cards with flush draw (considering the guy is willing to gamble a bit) or trips

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12-14-2018 , 12:58 AM

caleb1rules

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Or 56 hihi

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12-14-2018 , 01:24 AM

jjjou812

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Originally Posted by grimorum

INFO

WHAT DO THEY HAVE?
UTG: All in $450
Mid position calls $450
One player folded.
I have $250?

One has you beat, the other a combo draw with probable nut flush draw. Fold you are a dog to the field. If UTG is such a nut-peddler, this should be an easy fold as what hand are you beating that he shoves with?

Last edited by jjjou812; 12-14-2018 at 01:28 AM. Reason: If an omc, i guess he could have slowplayed, then overplayed AA.

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12-14-2018 , 12:00 PM

c0rnBr34d

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,257

How are you perceived? The only way you can call here is if you are very loose and everyone knows it. UTG is betting into a 5 way pot out of position and this is the guy that's so passive he limps AK. He's repping AT LEAST A9 or an overpair since he limps monsters. When you raise to $115 against his range you are repping 2 pair+. When the passive UTG 3 bets all in, he's saying he can beat 2 pair and I tend to believe him. The call behind is most likely a strong draw. Good fold in my opinion.

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12-14-2018 , 12:10 PM

snowman

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,747

why are you calling $5 preflop with a 3 and a 7 ???????

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12-14-2018 , 12:11 PM

c0rnBr34d

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Originally Posted by snowman

why are you calling $5 preflop with a 3 and a 7 ???????

This is the real question!

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12-14-2018 , 02:23 PM

Nozsr

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,722

One Villain all in $450.

Second Villain calls $450.

How likely is it that they are both FOS?

That is another real question.

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12-14-2018 , 05:51 PM

Havick

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 395

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Originally Posted by Nozsr

One Villain all in $450.

Second Villain calls $450.

How likely is it that they are both FOS?

That is another real question.

This.

Everytime I've seen three or more stacks go in... At least 1 was setting it on fire. OP, in this spot you're that guy. Don't be that guy because everybody loves that guy.

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12-14-2018 , 07:16 PM

#10

GooGoo6040

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Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 33

What's your business playing with 37. Even OTB that hand is trash. Position or no-position a 37 unsuited or suited is still trash. No matter how you slice it, you got no playing hand preflop. So, fold the sucker and get to the next hand in 2 minutes.

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12-14-2018 , 09:35 PM

#11

SUYAPA

adept

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 769

How are you involved in this hand with 73??

Easy fold pre and postflop.
You are crushed by at least one player. Their range is sets, straights, FDs and combo draws.

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12-14-2018 , 10:38 PM

#12

GooGoo6040

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Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 33

One more thing to say:

Get Ed Miller's book "The Course" and see what range is gonna give you an edge. That book is GOLD.

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12-15-2018 , 07:13 AM

#13

grimorum

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Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 33

I am perceived as the semi-tight aggressive player.

I occasionally play garbage hands on the button to mix up my game.
I do have a 1% chance to flop a straight, 1% chance to flop trips, and 2% chance to flop two pair.

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12-15-2018 , 07:29 AM

#14

WereBeer

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Your hand history is unclear.

You are not perceived as a semi-TAG or any kind of a TAG when you flat 73 preflop.

As played this is an easy fold since you gave no reads of any kind. If you would have been good, OK that's going to happen a small minority of the time in this kind of situation, folding correctly doesn't mean soulreading the exact hands the other players have, it means you fold against a range and their range crushes you.

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12-15-2018 , 10:49 AM

#15

snowman

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,747

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Originally Posted by grimorum

I am perceived as the semi-tight aggressive player.
I occasionally play garbage hands on the button to mix up my game.
I do have a 1% chance to flop a straight, 1% chance to flop trips, and 2% chance to flop two pair.

maybe in your mind but to everyone else you are a donkey
think about it
how can anyone who has tabled a hand like 3-7 ever be conceived as semi-tight?????

would you state V is semi-tight as I've seen him table 3-7 ?????

if so you need a better grip on player desc.

as to your ?????? easyfold

by the way you can take advantage of your DONKEY image
but to do so you need to take the 1st step and admit it to yourself

look in the mirror and say aloud "YES I AM A DONKEY"

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12-15-2018 , 11:27 AM

#16

SUYAPA

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 769

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Originally Posted by snowman

you need to take the 1st step and admit it to yourself

look in the mirror and say aloud "YES I AM A DONKEY"

LMFAO

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12-17-2018 , 07:37 PM

#17

jjjou812

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,595

Results?

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12-17-2018 , 08:07 PM

#18

football0020

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 317

Fold pre.

And if you must play pre, pump it up big time to isolate. Some people will never fold to you again once they know you raise 73 preflop, so that helps you get paid off big time in the future with value.

But for real, fold pre.

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12-17-2018 , 10:46 PM

#19

Havick

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"I occasionally play garbage hands on the button to mix up my game". Should read:
"I occasionally set money on fire"

To play garbage in order to "mix up your game" means you're going to need some semblance of post flop skill. Not joking or needling. For a 73o move you're gonna need to post flop like a beast. And you're clearly not there. Even with that, you're not even close to the stakes (assuming they exist) where mixing up your game that much would be necessary.

As for you're justification of "I'm 1% here and 2% there..." I'm sort of wondering if you understand how numbers work.

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12-18-2018 , 12:56 AM

#20

GuitarDean

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Originally Posted by grimorum

I occasionally play garbage hands on the button to mix up my game.

The button is not valuable enough to play hands this junky.

Your range should widen as your position is later or you have more limpers ahead of you, but should never be as wide as 73.

As played, your little 2 pair is definitely no good with 2 all-ins in front of you.

At most one of these players has the nut flush draw. The other has you crushed with 56 or a set, or maybe both players have you crushed.

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12-19-2018 , 10:19 PM

#21

Bartolini01

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Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 5

I would fold pre flop.

good luck

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12-20-2018 , 02:39 PM

#22

shorn7

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

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Originally Posted by GuitarDean

The button is not valuable enough to play hands this junky.

Your range should widen as your position is later or you have more limpers ahead of you, but should never be as wide as 73.

As played, your little 2 pair is definitely no good with 2 all-ins in front of you.

At most one of these players has the nut flush draw. The other has you crushed with 56 or a set, or maybe both players have you crushed.

This is true but if u are gonna play 73o, then by golly raise that Bad Larry!

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