1/3, about $300 effective

SB appears to be a new player.
BU is a MA?G who has been running great this session, but makes some questionable plays. Previously he called my pot-sized turn jam with a naked 8-high flush draw, hit on the river, then leaned over and whispered to the guy next to him about how he’s just being patient and waiting for his spots. Nice hand, sir.

Preflop:
BU opens to $15
SB calls
I flat in BB with QJdd

I’d 3bet this often with the SB call in between, but my image happened to be terrible this session so I thought flatting was better.

Flop ($45): Js6c2h
SB checks
I check
BU bets $45
SB calls
I call

I’m not loving the sizing and the call from SB, but I think this seems straightforward. The board is so dry that I’m probably giving up to one more bet without improvement.

Turn ($180): Js6c2hQh (about $240 behind)
SB checks
I check
BU checks behind

Thoughts? I’m never really donking here.

River ($180): Js6c2hQh6d
SB checks
I bet $65 (hoping to get called by e.g., a J)
BU slides out $100 and says “raise”, and is forced to raise to $130.
SB cold calls $130

???? Lol. It’s $65 to call for a pot of $505. I’m getting like >7:1. If SB were a more competent player I might still fold after his cold call. But I don’t give him credit for checking with a hand better than mine. Thoughts on river action and the rest of the hand?

Meh, we're near the top of our range and getting great odds. I make the crying call. But I expect to see a 6 and/or an overpair that has now counterfeited us most of the time.

It is a crying call. Sick, though.

I actually like a bet on the turn vs this guy who will obviously call with anything, especially with SB still in the hand and the flush draw on the board.

Btw, this isn't necessarily a whine post. I do attempt to balance my posting range by posting a mixture of hands I won and lost.

Not folding for those odds except against the most nitty of opponents. If your opponents have any clue this will be around break even. Keep in mind the way the way the betting went on flop and turn that SB probably didn't fold any 6X he called with preflop. Against fish though it's probably +EV.

A lot of fish don't understand relative hand strength in these situations. They just see they improved to two pair on the river. They don't graps that most people in the hand did the same thing and whoever was ahead on the turn is probably still ahead.

As for the general play of the hand, I would have folded preflop. Effective stacks are not deep enough to be calling a raise with QJs OOP. After that it's fine.

I'd raise to $75 pre, and folding is out of the question.

As played I don't think I even bet the river. That might be the worst river imaginable. As played you aren't good more than 5% of the time imo, so fold.

Making the crying call and expecting to lose to AA/KK/boat from BU or 6x from SB, pot odds are just too good. Either V can also be acting dumb with AQ/KQ/AJ/bluff.

I am not betting that river into 1 player let alone 2.

AP I guess I call for these ridiculous odds but I don't see how we're ever good.

Surprised to see some of you guys wouldn’t bet river here when SB checks. Would you on most other rivers (I guess not a 6/2/heart?)

Prefer squeeze pre

Would bet this river vs. some opponents HU.

100% betting on a brick river unless BTN is a massive spaz that's almost certain to bluff or value bet too wide.

I’d still mostly 3 bet. Regardless of image. We have such a good reason to squeeze here and we should be careful that we aren’t making tilted decisions.

Just call. 130 isn’t even a big bet for sb to cold call


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Lead turn, flush draw - straight draw - and all sorts of random **** will call. 1/3 players are terrible. Checking turn gives them a free card which is not what you want. Lead $120 and Jam all rivers.

As played it looks like you got wrecked by KK or AA but not folding for 65.

Against these two guys and closing the action I can get behind preflop. Against anyone with half a clue it's a little bit more dicey thanks to being OOP (but I'm a position nit).

SPR is 6.5 which means getting committed for stacks will become an issue very quickly (another reason preflop is a little meh as are we every comfortable committing with a TP hand, which is the most common hand we'll make). We don't need that much protection on this dry board and have one of the overs. So I'm fine with a check/evaluate. I'm also fine with a very small donk. As played, I'd seriously consider giving up to the flop PSB unless both these guys are completely out-to-lunch.

With top two pair and only 1.3 PSB behind plus the board getting drawier, I now consider myself committed. There's no reason to check to induce in a 3way pot (imo) so I'd just go ahead and donk here. Even just a rather smallish 1/2 PSB left leaves us with an easy peasy << 1/2 PSB shove for the river. One of the sole reasons for calling preflop is that these guys are idiots and have zero clue that we're never bluffing here; it makes preflop more questionable if we can't take advantage of that, imo.

Super odd action on the river and have zero clue what is going on. If everyone is an idiot (i.e. why we called preflop) then I suppose I'm not folding at this point. ETA: I'm fine with betting the river small; if we can't bet the river small for value against these guys and get called by worse then preflop again becomes a lot more questionable, imo.

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I think this is an acceptable spot to lead in my opinion on the turn. Putting AA/KK in a tough spot here and making JXhh pay to chase FD. Could also see AA/KK raising all-in at this level and you're in a great spot.

On the river, I am checking mostly with an occasional lead. Perfect spot to check/call IMO