Ran into this spot the other day. I think its pretty straight forward, but after reading through the K10ss hh last night I decided to post this one.

1/3 NL in a NH poker room

Table has been running for a few hours. H has just moved to this table. H has about 400 in his stack. Has raised a few times in the 30 minutes or so he has been at table. H when called at showdown has had it twice (KK and AQ respectively).

OTTH (6 handed)

H is UTG and looks down at AJHH and makes it 15, two callers (V1 AA losing player who has about 150, and V2 who has about 100). BB V3 (biggest stack at table, no history with H, looks like a reg based on clothing, handling of chips, and big wirelesss headphones, 3bets to 50)

H makes the sigh fold preflop.

Thoughts? Is it to nitty? BB has to have AQ+, and pocket pairs 99+ right? IF he were to 3B in position I would think his range would be wider but to do it from the BB signifies strength no?

Usually yes, without a read. I'd let it go the first time. If he does this a couple of times in the next hour or so, it will be time to 4 bet it.

You know more about his frequencies than us, you were at the table with villain.But based on your descripton of villain, i would definetely call here in position with suited AJ to this small sizing. We basically have $30 of dead money from the two callers in between, giving us alot more incentive to continue on in this pot.

@Petrucci

I was at the table for about 30 minutes. V in the session so far was not really involved in the action. He had folded twice prior to my opens. But lets say we call his 3b and the flop comes out

Example 1. A95r, are we calling a 1/2 pot cbet, or 1/3cbet, or 2/3 cbet?

Example 2. Flop is KJ4, same questions?

Example 3. Flop is 837, same questions?


Obviously the flops are random examples but I am curious how you would navigate these 'examples'?

Every spot or flop depends on sizing, how many people comes along to the flop and so forth. But as a somewhat default i would:

1)I am calling one street here against almost all sizings, unless i can pickup a liveread of some sort that makes me think otherwise.

2) Calling the flop against the smaller sizings, but probably folding against larger sizings.

3) Folding to big sizings that indicates villain would have an overpairheavy range. VS very weak sizings i may float the flop or even raise if his sizings/live tell indicates he is just "auto C-betting" because thats what he is supposed to do.

That's an abnormally small 3bet over a raise and two callers, especially from oop. With that much dead money in the middle, V is actually incentivized to 3bet squeeze with a wider range and pick up 25bb uncontested... but his sizing is way off....

Calling and bringing the other two in and going 4 ways to a flop with an SPR of less than 2:1 would just be setting ourselves up for a tough time on a lot of flops, especially because we often won't be getting the implied odds to continue to the turn/river and realize our equity.

I think its a fold or 4bet bluff. I don't think the fold is horrible but you can put the majority of his range in a miserable spot if you go $165 and it folds back to him. If V is a thinking player or reg like you suspect he probably knows a 4bet at 1/3 is almost always AA & KK and he should be folding most of his range to a 4bet oop.

Pretty cool question, since its hypothetical lets just say we call and the two in the middle fold so we're heads up. My answers are based on my experience that PFR's at this level c bet too much b/c they don't want to check fold or give up the betting lead.

1. Calling all 3 size c bets especially when we have a backdoor flush draw.

2. Calling all 3 size c bets when we have a back door flush draw to go with our middle pair and backdoor straight draw calling 1/3 pot cbet when there is no heart on the board.

3. Fold with no back door flush draw to go with our 2 overs and backdoor gutter. Call 1/3 and maybe 1/2 pot c bets when we have a heart on the board.

Offsuit i can go behind a 4 bet bluff at some frequenzy,but suited+position i think we can flat here.

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Do you mean a 4-bet bluff with the intention of folding to a shove? That doesn't sound good.

100% agree if we were closing the action, but with two short stacks left.... it just takes one of them deciding to go with it and shove, then no matter what the BB does (other than fold) it just sucks.

Or one of them doesn't shove and we go 4 ways oop to two short stacks, and that makes it almost impossible to call c bets when we have to worry about them shoving with any piece after we do call said c bet.

I think I want to scoop it pre-flop, play this heads up in position or just fold.

Yes, because I think with the combination of the 50bb in the middle and the likelihood that V with this description folds out enough of his tiny sized 3bet range, this could be a profitable bluff long term.

A $45 3bet oop over a $15 raise and two callers just doesn't scream huge hand to me.

Could be a spew though.

I get it...I just don't like sticking in 40% of stack and folding. If my math is right (big if), H only needs 28% equity to call that shove and he has just about that vs QQ+ and AK

I normally snap fold to a 3bet here but given sizing and position I'm tempted to call.

Hand Results....

Hero makes the fold to the 3b!, V1 folds, V2 makes the call leaving him with about 50-60ish behind.

Flop AJ2

V1 checks, BB 3Bettor shoves, and V1 folds face up pocket 99s and BB shows AKdd.

Overall happy with the preflop fold in this situation despite the flop runout.

I typically limp in with this hand from UTG but admittedly that would be at a 10 handed table; 6max ain't my wheelhouse at all. If the shortstacks are lol bad, then I'm fine with raising, although I might size it just a tweak more so that I can more comfortably commit against them postflop with TP (cuz we won't be able to fold due to the small SPR). If the shortstacks aren't as lol bad, then I think a raise often folds out the hands we dominate and often narrows to some dominating hands we don't want to continue, so I wouldn't be as pumped about doing this. Plus AJs plays really awesome in multway high SPR pots so it isn't horrible if it limps around. Plus we'll probably have to fold if 3bet (giving up our equity) whereas if other limpers were going to call we might be able to see a flop (less of a reason to do so with AJo, imo).

And yeah, I would fold pretty easily here. The pot is protected by the shortstacks who really shouldn't be folding, so this guy can't be getting out-of-line here. Plus we have always had it and are raising from UTG. We're in flippish spots sometimes but also destroyed sometimes and rarely (if ever) destroying, imo.

ETA: And as someone else mentioned above, flatting here encourages a ****-it shove from one of the shortstacks which will re-open the action for the 3better. Pretty meh to flat, imo.

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