Indian Casino:
Full ring. 8 handed. 1 player out.

Villain has been seated for 1 hour maybe 2. Is coming off a big win from last night or maybe he was in super deep.

Villain is aggro aggressive who is capable of big bluffs. First time playing with him. We have played for about an hour already maybe a little more. He does not have a clear read on me but probably thinks I am one of the better players at the table or more of a threat to him than the others. Has played maybe 40% of his hands since sitting.

Villain has been routinely straddling, then bumping up the straddle big, sometimes when I'm in the pot, sometimes when I'm not. Routinely likes to bet pot on non slippery wet boards when he is PFR. Also saw him donk bet. Is capable of anything.

Villian in straddle.
Folds to Hero in SB

Hero raises to $45 with QQ
Villian calls $35
Heads up to flop
Qd2s3d

Hero bets $55
Villian raises to $255
Hero: ?

I have $1600 behind.
Villain would has relatively the same as my stack. So a raise AI would be a $1400 raise.

I can't really place him exactly on a flush if the diamond turns because he just plays too many hands. He's aggro. So my thought process was if I raise some amount and the diamond turns it will be really hard to get away from it and I would probably lose my stack to a made flush without improving.

Optimal lines pls? Thank you.

Villain straddle UTG or OTB?
Assuming 5-5-10UTG straddle, good 4.5x out of position squeeze
Good flop bet as he can only continue with diamond draw/wheel draw/45 suited
Smells more like wheel + diamond draw when he is 5xing you in position more than any other type of draw as we don't block those and he only puts you on KK, KQ, (sometimes AQ if he had Axdd)

Being OOP, a 4b! raise is the most optimal with the current nuts, where if we make it slightly less than ~3x to 700, we have a 900 shove left into a pot of 1490 on the river, which gives him slightly less than good calling odds with his nut flush draw.

This size also lets him induce a bluff shove on the flop and if he just flats the 700 and if he turns the flush, you can check + call (sigh) with top set.

If he has the nut flush on the turn, we are slightly getting it in worse than expected, but he could be repping the nut flush and can include hands of Ad-rag / wheel draw in his range too, making it closer than the true odds considering he is an "aggressive"/ high VPIP player.

Edit: feel like the above can be wrong too, someone please help, with a 40% VPIP player, where AIOTF can be the best play as he is either folding out all of his random air raises or getting it in bad with his draws.

(Straddle was UTG)

Pop it another $200 - 400, hate flatting when villain might stack off with worse made hands and draws but give up on scary turns.

I think you just have to flat here often. He should be folding a ton to a flop 3b.

Why would you ever flat OOP with the essential nuts with so many bad turn cards?

Is all-in too big here? I'm thinking he won't fold a lower set and can possibly have Q3 and Q2 too given how loose he seems pre. He can also have 5d4d or any AdXd nut flush draw.

If he folds the nut flush draw, not too bad of a result for us OOP. And if he has a set he definitely stacks off and with 2-pair mostly too.

If we call we mostly hope he has complete air like backdoor spades. A Qx hand is unlike for him cause of our blockers. Don't like flatting here OOP, seems like it'll allow us to make lots of mistakes later.

Raise to $625. then shove almost all turns regardless of diamond hitting, villain just seems so loose that you need to keep inflating the pot for value

So it’s live 10 and you are 4.5xing?
I mean if you’re always getting action go for it but - if you’re like 4.5x with all your good hands and then doing some other random sizing with the rest of your pfr range it’s gonna be tough to play a good strategy pf-
Anyways you’re supposed to start by checking this flop with basically everything and then going from there/ but as played it doesn’t matter, he’s probably not gonna fold any of his raising range for a bet/3b but again if he has half a brain he should realize you are Insanely strong for this line. There’s something to be said for just stacking 33/22 and other stuff and making him put more $ in with the rest of his range that he felt like raising with so I like that kinda

Because this line is impossible to balance effectively and you just end up so insanely strong that ip can exploit and start hero folding but it’d like 2/5 and this doesn’t sound like the game or villain that’s hero folding much.
But calling and letting him put more $ in ott is fine because it’s not like we’re ever folding on any turns anyway.

Agree with the real mg0698. His range is so wide and he's trying to get you off of the hand. With this type of player, sometimes you're going to need to fade a scare card let him fall into a big trap on the turn.

Ok. This thread is dying so I will continue to post river for all those that have contributed. Later I will explain my thoughts if I can get some replies from those that have contributed.

Hero calls the $200 raise out of position.
Turn is 5d completing flush draw.
Hero checks
Villian checks

River is 2 of heart pairing board.
Hero ?

~600 in the pot, you have 1600 back, over bet 1-1.5x pot polarize bet of 600-1k depending on game flow because you don't block any flushes, and villain either has the nut flush or he doesn't.
Your call on the raised flop OOP was already showing strength with hands of QQ+, AQ, KQ, so can't ever check it expecting villain to bet.

Edit: Everything gets there on the turn, but villain checked turn indicating he could have 23s (2 combos) or 33 (3 combos), still will get value from these 2 hands, if we run into Quad 22 oh well but only 1 combo left of those.

First without a good read you're still gonna 'draw' if the diamond comes and you 3b flop. I'm looking to do one of two things here, either flat flop if I feel like he'll barrel turn a lot, and then jam over the top on non-diamond turns. Or raise big enough on the flop that we're both committed.
Not seeing a lot of good Qx/2pair or overpairs in his range with preflop line
so putting him on a lot of air, fd/sd and sets. you stack the sets most times anyway, fd/sd gonna wanna pay, air you've just gotta kinda feel how relevant that is. Short end if he doesn't give up on turns I'm just flatting and letting him barrel mostly.
If flop raise I'm looking ahead to try and make his fd/sds feel like they have odds ott, so trying to cut down the 1400 left. maybe making it 600 or 650 on top or something. 650 sounding better leaving a 750 crier possible ott

I’d 3b to $650 on flop; he might feel like 4b shoving has some FE and I think he could have a monster since he flatted you pre instead of raising.

As played on river I bet something weird like $300.

The problem with calling is that because of the sd/fd possibilities there are large amount of bad turns, because we are also out of position there is a large chance vilain might take a free card if we try to c/r the turn.

If he raises here with a fd/45 and checks the turn which is v likely it is pretty big disaster for us, not to mention he might even check 22 for pot control(depends on vilain, but some guys are really afraid to stack off deep)

A large raise is also not really needed, he has plenty of Qx hands, and we're hoping here he gives us action with QK or AQ so raising too large defines our hand to much and gives him the opportunity to make a correct fold.

I would click it back here to around 500$, looking to stack off on most turns. We lose some value vs fd/sd combo's when raising small but gain vs Qx combo's and allow him to make spewy (semi)bluffs, if he jams Adxd hoping for fold equity we are really printing here this deep.

Sorry bud, but clicking it back to $500 and then preparing to stack off is not a good line. This gives the flush draw the best odds possible and charges it the least to make the flush. If im re-raising flop here its gonna be chunky. The whole point of the thread was having a very unpredictable opponent, with odd or uncomfortable stack depth. The point is to get the whole stack and find the optimal line to do that.

I'd disguise my hand and go for the entire stack. Call the raise on the flop, check-jam the turn as it sounds like he's aggro and likely to bet any turn card if its checked to him and he is on that draw, price him in to call the jam. If he outdraws top set so be it. Still have a river redraw for boat.

This was the line I thought was best to get me whole stack. Especially with opponent that will go for it with a combo draw or hand he thinks may be good. Overpush on flop just seemed to extraordinary.

100% agree with you. It would be diffucult to play if you flat this OOP. If he folds it is nice from OOP if he shoves all-in you are ahead anyway.

Ok time to end the thread.

The turn was the 5 of diamond completing the flush and some straights.
I checked he checked.
The river was the 2 that paired the board. Still 3 diamonds on the board.
I figured that since he raised flop most of the time here he should have a hand that he would want to bet for value...
Especially on a single raised straddle pot,
Like AQ or better.
So I checked and he checked back Q3, which was top two on the flop.
Huge blunder for me not getting the full stack which i was sad about. That's why I posted to see if I played unbelievably bad here.
I guess 4betting jamming flop would have gotten stack but how was I supposed to know.
Sad. Thanks guys enjoy the grind.
Acesup81

Your guess of 4betting flop to get stacks is results oriented. But I like the flop call vs this player. You always gotta think he's betting turn when check too. Sucks when he doesn't follow through. But if he had bet it be a easy check jam... No more playing around. Now your play was sort of bad after he checks through turn. I'm 100% betting for value on river with second nuts. After villain checks turn we have to assume now our last efforts to extract any value is to bet it ourselves. Can't afford a check check river. Sizing on river is on tougher side to decide. Should I go smaller or larger? Cause vs this villian a smaller bet could induce a jam with a lot of his missed hands as he should have FE after you called flop raise and check check turn. But betting larger will get paid for his AQ KQ and two pr holdings. Me personally vs this player I go smaller cause he will have air a lot and will jam a ton with FE

He does not have a clear read on me but probably thinks I am one of the better players at the table or more of a threat to him than the others- just say you think your the best player on the table haha.

But as played you just flat the flop. It doesn't matter even if a diamond turns if hes aggro like you say he will rep having a flush. Anyone reraising this flop against an aggro players needs coaching. I hope a flush card comes off cause he will try to rep it. If it doesn't he will probably give up so you do want a scare card to hit so he can rep it. But if you reraise and he has nothing hes just gonna fold.

When he checks back the turn he has set or 2 pair. You just have to bet the river. hes gonna put you on a straight or flush and not want to bet anymore. So I would bet around 1/4th to 1/2 depending my reads on him as a player. BUt after checking the turn id go on the smaller side to get a crying call. Especially aggro player checks back hes got a value hand he doesn't want to bet and will pay off usually a smell river bet if its not to pricey. If he is sticky that likes to look people up id go on the 1/2 sizing.

flush draws are folding if u reraise unless they are a whale. You basically turn your hand face up casue their draws block you having a draw. i would put you on a set and snap fold. I wouldn't even think about calling a reraise on the flop. Its basically flipping your cards over showing you have a set to a decent thinking player. And if i have low flush draw then I am probably dominated by higher flush draw making the decision even easier. Thats the problem with reraising is it makes an easy decision for villain. when we just call our hands disguised and we leave their entire value, semi bluffing and bluffing range in going to the turn against a very aggro player from what this guy is saying. You max your ev long term by just calling reraise from aggro player and you also protect your weaker value range when you call his raise with a big hand making you tougher to play against for him. So if u only raise set here and never call and trap you are easy to play against for him. So when you do just call his raise with weaker part of your range hes just gonna blow you off your weaker value range by the river.

This is the mistake that players make against aggro players is reraising them with big hands. Cause when you dont they know you dont have it and make your life hell. I always trap in these spots against lags and I can't even count the times they blow their load with complete air against me in spots like this. Then they go from lag to loose passive against me and just attack everyone else. If they can't figure out your ranges then they have to play guessing game. But if you guys reraise every time with big hand they will just fold unless they are bad or its cooler spot like this. He played his hand well until the river. Have to do some kind of value bet on the river imo. he rarely has flush or straight when he checks the turn in this situation and top set way to strong to check here.