I have 66 in CO. UTG +2 & UTG +3 limps. I limp. Button raises to $30. Everyone calls. UTG +3 is an asian (mid 50)'s. I've only played with him for about 4-5 hours and he seems fairly tight/nitty and I just don't remember any specific showdown hands from him. He has $900 behind.

($180) A67 Everyone checks to me. I bet $100. Everyone folds except UTG +3

($380) Q UTG +3 checks and I check back

($380) A UTG +3 bets $140

Hero?

Why are you overlimping 66 from the CO?

I'd raise to 350-450 total.

Raising is ungentlemanly. Cmon let’s keep it friendly here.

To be serious though: I actually don’t think we should raise this River. It’s kinda insane but I don’t see a single worse hand that will call a raise on this board with this runout. What’s he gonna call you with—the king-high flush that waited until the board paired before betting?

A hand like AK or AQ with the Diamond might play like this and call a raise on the River…but he can’t have those because he limped in. So what are we really left with? Just pinning our hopes on him having a bizarrely played flush?

Yeah—whatever, I know I miss value here a lot, but I just am not seeing how a raise with the worst boat makes us money here. (I would raise with 77, only because V could have 66.)This is gonna be just a call for me.

Overlimp is fine.

I see why you led flop, but I would still have gone for the check-raise here. It means there's nobody sat there with the naked Ace of diamonds and also the button can easily have an Ace.

Not raising river? Oh come off it, we're not going to sit and panic that someone has limp-callrd AQ are we? This is a raise all day long. You will get snapped off by a flush and sometimes an Ace. You have (just) enough stack depth to raise-fold.

I would just call vs an older tight/ nitty player. In general, I don't like raising in these spots if I'm not comfortable calling a jam (or if I have to puke call it off). I don't think Ax calls a raise, or other hands we beat in his range. The only hand that might call is a NF because he felt entitled to win after flopping it.

Too big on flop. $50 or check. River $420

id raise now but vs bigger river size id just call

at first i thought pre wasn't great but i think over limp might be good. am not sure about leading flop but if you do the sizing is way too big for mono

I like it up to river.

For stuff we're ahead of that feels consistent with action: nut flush, Ax

For stuff we are behind: AQ is unlikely (though I've certainly seen it played this way at low stakes), but A7 is certainly there too.

I think Call, Raise Small, Jam are all options for the river.

I think I might click it back to 280 (hoping Ax calls as would flushes), and then find a tight fold to a jam, which I think would likely only be a boat, though you risk him overplaying nut flush.

Fish will fold top trips to big bets when obvious draws are present. Had it happen tonight. I flop the joint 45 on 67873r runnout, I jam for maybe 2x pot and he shows the 7 and folds. Tilting.

Flop lead is whatever, I can see BTN checking back lots of hands to avoid getting drunked on so I dont mind your flop bet, other than I hate the size. As played raise to like 350 or so, go for max exploitation. We want a call. We need a call at a high frequency here. Pray he has 34dd or something and pays it off rather than jamming and hoping he cant let go of AK.

Personally I think I'm just calling here. I might be leaving some money out there but given the situation I still just call.

He's a nit and called a monotone board after you lead into the initial raiser. If I was him I would be putting you on hitting that flop hard. The turn check back may have encouraged him to bet with something like 10 10 or 88/99. He's not calling a raise with those anyway. 77/AQ is certainly in his range and would play like this.

This is a terrible way of thinking. Raise/folding for value is your main money maker in small stakes live.

As played op, i like pre, flop is too big i’d go 60$. Turn is fine , River i like 350$ / fold to jam obviously.

There are spots where the fear of getting re-jammed on as a bluff is warranted… this is not one of those spots.

You made some good points. Hero donked out 100 into 180 otf in a 6 way hand into the PFR. Hero's perceived range should be flopped flushes, or at least a flopped set and he's still making a value bet otr not worrying about a flush. Tight nitty OMC kinds of players would be ecstatic to get to SD or c/c the river there instead of risking that his value bet gets raised.

I'd actually argue that bet/folding is your main money maker at low stakes, particularly making sure you value bet turn and river against loose passives.

It’s really not. We’re in the CO and $900 deep vs. UTG+3 (main V) and possibly just as deep vs. UTG+2 (OP didn’t provide effective stacks).

Isiolating limpers IP is where you make your money.

Overlimp is best with small pp.

Small pp leads to smaller pps

It really depends on the players at the table, the players yet to act, the limpers, the game, and so many other factors that it's impossible to say "always limp it" or "always raise it". Either one could be fine in different games. However, with that said. you can also lose with a set like if there's a bunch of limpers and people are limping in with 48s and flop 567 when we have middle set (especially in deep games).

How to consider the factor, "the players yet to act"?

Sorry I was referring to their tendencies (LAGs, habitual squeezers, habitual 3bettors, etc.)

whats the worst pp you raise with here buz?

if the conditions are right and we're 200 BB's effective i'll raise 22 but it's all situational.

66 is just so far ahead of EP limping ranges, especially when they only get to see 3 cards on the flop instead of a full 5 card run out. EP limps are also notoriously filled with 55-22 so 66 doesn't even feel remotely thin like a 33-22 raise from CO might be.

the BTN raising behind us is not remotely shocking and should be entirely expected. if the BTN raises to a more appropriate amount like $40 and the blinds and limpers fold what do we do then? set mine and x/f the best hand when he c-bets a random Axx Kxx Qxx flop? a good BTN will destroy a CO overlimper.

you raise to buy the BTN and isolate 1 or 2 players to (i) occasionally win with a flop c-bet; (ii) extract 1-2 streets of value from worse pairs; (iii) extract 1-2 streets of value from draws; and (iv) occasionally flop a monster disguised set.

Results?

So, if any of such players exists behind, we have to tight up by dropping some/bottom over-limping or raising PP. Is that a correct understanding of the adjustments needed here?

Thanks for all the comments guys.

Results = I jam and he tanks for like 5 minutes, then eventually calls with 77.