Is calling an option here? I have no info on vilain

Hero (BB): €5.94 (118.8 bb)
UTG: €4.88 (97.6 bb)
CO: €7.21 (144.2 bb)
BTN: €6.26 (125.2 bb)
SB: €5.11 (102.2 bb)

SB posts €0.02, Hero posts BB €0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.07) Hero has K K
3 folds, SB raises to €0.15, Hero raises to €0.60, SB calls €0.45

Flop: (€1.20, 2 players) A T 9
SB bets €0.48, Hero calls €0.48

Turn: (€2.16, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (€2.16, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets €0.70, SB raises to €4.03 and is all-in, Hero ?

Hero folds here without having actually seen Villain turn middle pair into a bluff or make a move like this on the river with a busted QJ.

Villain called a 3-bet OOP. Even BvB that still shifts their range far more towards PPs, Ax, and broadway cards PF which mean that hands like AT, TT, 99, 55 are definitely part of an unkowns range here at 5NL, and depending on how much they feel like your 3-bet is just a resteal their may even be hands like A9 or T9s. Don't stack of here hoping for QQ.

Fold. Very few V (especially at NL5) would mount such delayed bluffs - if they wanted to make you fold they would have bet otr
V will have all sorts of boats here.

Hero beats T9 btw.

Yeah, my mistake. I was responding while taking customer support calls at work. I should have been more observant.

It looks suspicious but whatever, you can fold this combo without much regrets.
I wonder if the river value bet isn't too thin.

No reason for v to lead flop. My guess is busted straight draw. After the flop call, you go into bluffcatcher mode. What will villain call with that is behind on the end? Is v bluffing otf with JT or JJ?

I dont play zoom. But jist curious, why is your 3-bet size pre to 12 BB?

Also I'm just checking back the rover in this BVB situation...

It wasn't a zoom table but vilain was calling every 3bet that's why

And don't we have some thin value here vs all Tx?

That's what the customer said as they opened their email about GTO ranges

I mean sure. I haven't been playing with this villain, so only you can truly estimate what his range(s) are weighted towards/consists of...

I think the fact that you are raising to 12bb pre and he is "calling everything" has some merit to calling him down wider in river spots...

Do you think given villain possibly being more laggy, that he would be 4-betting more Ax hands in the SB? If so, him flatting a 3-bet doesn't necessarily mean that his flatting range consists of more Ax holdings... Thus you can call wider in this spot.

Normally, against just plain jane players that I don't know, I would check back this spot. Their range is weighted more towards Ax that I'm value owning myself against on the river, with fewer 10x holdings, let alone 9x holdings. You with KK, are getting little to no value from those holdings (10x/9x), given your 3-bet pre. You are getting called by some Ax holdings, and raised by better. So...

The times you are getting value here, is not more than the times your river bet gets called and you lose, or get raised by stronger. Sure you could be getting bluffed.


But if you are under the impression villain is getting out of line here or in general, call his ass down. I'm glad you are 3-betting bigger against villain. I like the turn check as well.

I mean sure. I haven't been playing with this villain, so only you can truly estimate what his range(s) are weighted towards/consists of...

I think the fact that you are raising to 12bb pre and he is "calling everything" has some merit to calling him down wider in river spots...

Do think given villain possibly being more laggy, that he would be 4-betting more Ax hands in the SB? If so, him flatting a 3-bet doesn't necessarily mean that his flatting range consists of more Ax holdings... Thus you can call wider in this spot.

Normally, against just plain jane players that I don't know, I would check back this spot. Their range is weighted more towards Ax that I'm value owning myself against on the river, with fewer 10x holdings, let alone 9x holdings. You with KK, are getting little to no value from those holdings (10x/9x), given your 3-bet pre. You are getting called by some Ax holdings, and raised by better. So...

The times you are getting value here, is not more than the times your river bet gets called and you lose, or get raised by stronger. Sure you could be getting bluffed.


But if you are under the impression villain is getting out of line here or in general, call his ass down. I'm glad you are 3-betting bigger against villain. I like the turn check as well.

actually oop does have somewhat of a donking range assuming bb 3b the ~20% he's supposed to
and I imagine he's following up ott a lot
I'd x/ river, fold ap

it looks sooooooo suspicious I usually call these because I'm bad and I wanna see what they have.
probably a good fold tho

yeah calling is awful here, villain has bad odds on his bluff, can def not call with any pair

also ppl don't bluff...