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Some people were saying not to bet turn MW here. Can someone explain why this isn't a turn bet? Hero is in BB, flop checks around. Why do we care if the turn improved Hero's range to his opponents, that really isn't relevant.

As far as river, that looks like a fold w/o a specific read /history. Very few combo's your beat against, but the second best strong combos aren't 4-bet shoving often enough... unless he's a drooler. He's more likely to be bluffing than 4-bet jamming a flush here.

I think just_grindin put it perfectly, the turn bet with with 3 others still in the hand just doesn't accomplish much. I don't really expect many folds unless we are firing some rivers also.

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07-09-2019 , 08:26 PM

#27

rainbow57

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 668

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Originally Posted by quaqmire

I'm expecting to see a flush here most of the time. Then again, I should perhaps point out the fact that I'm predominantly an online player, and the live game in question might have a dynamic entirely different to the one that I'm used to.

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Originally Posted by quaqmire

P.S. I'd love to hear from anyone who totally disagrees with me. Am I wrong in this situation?

It seems hard to imagine a flush here against an unknown in any game. This is a river 4bet. It's suicidal to 4bet a flush on the river with a paired board against human opponents because they aren't calling it with worse flushes. Evidence for that is right here in this thread as many people are advocating folding 66 here, and this is 2p2, where people will generally have wider ranges than your typical live opponent.

Since OP did not mention any notable reads like villain being tilted, splashy, spazzy, etc, and it is a live game, I imagine villain will have QQ or 45hh here almost every time. If he had 22, I think he would be happy to just flat the 3bet rather than spike an additional ~150BB into what was moments ago, a 20BB pot. I'm not saying that he won't have 22 here ever... I just think it is going to be very, very unlikely.

Seems to be a fold to me and dont worry about it - you arent getting exploited here.

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07-15-2019 , 03:45 AM

#28

hyperknit

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 2,692

seems like a trivial snap fold imo

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07-15-2019 , 11:35 PM

#29

ShellPoker

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 228

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Originally Posted by kohyou

hi guys,

I have 66 from bb with 2500 effective at 5-10 nl live

UTG+1 opens to 30, CO and BUT calls, and I call from bb

POT: 125
FLOP: Q33 with 3

(rainbow)

Checks around

POT: 125
Turn: 2

I lead for 40, UTG+1 calls, others fold

POT: 205
RIVER: 6

I bet 50, UTG+1 raises to 210, I 3 bet to 740, UTG+1 4 bets to 2200

What do I do? this bust be close to top of my range.
I also bet small for 50 since i figured he would raise with a flush /other small boats and to get some value from smaller hands like weak Q or even pocket pairs smaller than Q

What do you think?

The pot was 200 on the river, there is simply no need to risk 10x the amount to steal such a small pot. Furthermore, these kinds of bluffs are super difficult even if he knew exactly your hand because he doesn't know how "curious" you may be. These two factors combined I would say it is a fold. Bluff raising is not profitable because on many occasions he will simply get flatted by medium/strong hands.

In my experience, even someone with a nut-flush would be happy to see a showdown with a paired board after getting some extra value off your 3-bet. A 4 bet like that is turning his flush into a bluff, and that is a super advanced move to get right.

Last edited by ShellPoker; 07-15-2019 at 11:40 PM.

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07-31-2019 , 01:14 AM

#30

kohyou

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 23

the result: i ended up folding and the villain showed a Qh

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07-31-2019 , 11:23 AM

#31

the real mg0698

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,828

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Originally Posted by kohyou

the result: i ended up folding and the villain showed a Qh

QQ obviously good fold

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08-01-2019 , 08:57 AM

#32

RichGangi

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9,546

Sick spot. Barring crazy history with villain, puke fold.

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08-08-2019 , 03:54 AM

#33

Asta0

grinder

Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 403

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Originally Posted by quaqmire

I don't like folding here. There's playing tight and then there's being overly creative. Most of the time, he doesn't have you beat, but obviously, if you're very familiar with the person you're playing against, there might be other factors to consider.

He "always" have you beat unless he's a crazy maniac.
Almost nobody bluff in that spot and he's not value raising a worst hand.

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