My two cents...folding on the flop, easy call preflop. 150 BB deep is plenty to call in position here, especially when the villain is having bet sizing issues (and presumably way overvaluing his hands).

On the flop though, even if he is a fish, how bad is his three betting range from the SB? Given we haven’t seen him play too many hands yet, a run of the mill SB three bet range is way ahead of hero here, and it is quite possible you have almost no equity. Hero is at the bottom of their three bet calling range, so fold and trust that a better spot will present itself.

Hello fellow Grinders,

Here's my analysis for this spot, I hope it's worth reading

Given the preflop action I think our range of hands that might call looks somewhat like this :
JJ-77 (6 combinations each) ; AQ (16) ; AJ(12) ; ATs(3) ; KQ(16) ; KJs(3) ; QJs(3) ; JTs(3) ; T9s(3) ; 98s(4) ;
This is a sum of 75 combos , following the minimum defence frequencies we should defend :
70/(50+70) = 60% which comes down to 40ish combos .

So we need to choose the best 40-ish combos of our range to call this bet :
Made Flushes: AsQs(1);KsQs(1); 9s8s(1);8s7s(1);
Sets: JJ(3) ; TT(3)
2 pairs : JTs (3)
Top pairs + Flush Draw: AsJx(3)
Flush draws: AsQx(3);AxQs(3);KsQx(3);KxQs(3);
Pair + flush draw : 9s9x(3); 8s8x(3);7s7x(3);

That's the sum of 40 combos and we can find that 7s7x is in the very bottom
of our range. And even if we make the flush it's very unlikely that our opponent is paying us
with a worst hand. So I think this is a fold since we have very many better hands we can call with.

I hope my analysis was of help and I'm open to all critics and opinions.

Call,

Iam giving the math behind it, assuming the
Villains range to be AQ+ (1010 - AA) . You have equity of 31% preflop and the equity you require is 6.5/19*100= 34%, pot odds says that call will be break even but if u can win a bet when you hit a set then you have easily implied odds to call. So flop call is good(you have some reverse implied odds Ie if the flop comes 9 high or lesser you may want to call one bet atleast)

If villain bets 100% of range, then we have good equity (41.6%) pot odds required to call is (29.6%)
we have an easy call.Even if villain only decides to bet 10's- A's, we have 26.6 % equity and we need only 29.6% so a call is break even, considering if u can win a small bet when you hit the flush or set.

From an equity standpoint It's the same hand.

no it isn't. 88 has much better runner runner straight draws.

Why would you assume fish with only sizing in this hand? Has he done this before and been out of line. I think 9-9 thru A-A makes it this size here everytime. If that is in his range then he just smashed the flop, You just missed it, this is an easy fold.

What about villain's sizing here makes us automatically assume he's a fish?

Preflop is a call for 3 reasons:
1. We're deeper stacked than normal (150bbs instead of 100bbs)
2. We're in position and closing the action
3. The 3bet is much smaller than normal (2.5bbs -> 9bbs instead of something like 4bbs -> 14bbs)

When people say "don't set mine in 3bet pots", they're referring to a situation where you open to 4x from MP, BTN 3bets to 14x and you're only 100bbs deep. That's a spot when you need to be folding hands like 77 preflop. But this is a completely different situation. So I'm happy with preflop.

But flop is a clear fold. There are huge reverse implied odds when we hit our flush and we might even get outdrawn by him Cbetting KQ/AQ/AK and improving to a hand that beats us. I'd rather call this flop bet with a hand like KJ no spade than 77 with a spade.

although u r 150 b deep, and u have some small room to manovre post, if u dont fold a 3 called 3betted pot with sevens when the flop is jtx with suited cards too, which flop r u inclined to fold?
best case scenario he has a hand like aq, ak and he is over 40%, that s not he could be having back door flash or flash draw ofc

Preflop fold would be both an obvious mistake and a massive EV mistake.

I would recommend not taking online cash game advice from people who even consider this.


Flop is a clear +EV call vs 70% vs a reg in this spot. I don't think a reg would bet like this, but if he did, you have to defend this. [short cut I use: against pot size top pair (here Jh9h I'd say) and 2s2c is close]

Against a fish, you perform worse if he 3bets a bit tighter pre. But you perform better if he cbets a bit more randomly. Might cancel out roughly? Or maybe he bets flop more passive, and bigger is stronger? Hard to say.

But for turn/river: fish do
1) not 2barrel often, great for your turn hand strength
2) sometimes 2barrel tiny, potentially allowing a second call
3) play river badly for value, allowing you to save with the weak flush
4) make stupid calls, allowing you to value bet a low flush on the river

I can imagine folding flop is best here vs a passive fish, but seems like a standard call.

This post makes a bit more sense than the 5nl players coming in to my post saying you should fold 77 pre. Vs this opponent that that I faced here im pretty confident folding is the best play. Correct me if im wrong but in this spot I think the general fish's thought process here is that he either wants big value when he got a nutty hand or the typical overplay with a overpair either with our without a flushdraw. Also with these type of fish you are gonna have a very hard time at basically every turn card except a 7 because I do expect fish to barrel quite often on the turn.

But yea if you would simulate this hand in pio 77 would be a flop call for sure.