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Old 04-09-2021, 12:50 AM   #1
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GTO to call top pair top kicker on river shove?

5/10/20. Hero and villain both 200 bb deep. Loose villain in SB 3 bet an early position limper to 125. Hero in BB calls with AQ. Straddle folds. Limper folds. Flop Q56 rainbow,Villian fires two barrels of 175 and 600. Turn card 9.Hero calls. On one card straight river 7, villain river all in 1500. Hero calls the all in. Any thoughts if GTO to call?
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Old 04-09-2021, 01:56 AM   #2
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Re: GTO to call top pair top kicker on river shove?

ok there’s a straddle so i wouldn’t say 200bb deep, looks more like 120bb deep. regardless you have a pure bluff catcher facing a river overbet.. if he’s loose and bluffs often you can consider calling.

bigger issue is pre, cold calling this 3b seems like torching $. 4bet or fold
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Old 04-09-2021, 05:52 AM   #3
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Re: GTO to call top pair top kicker on river shove?

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ok there’s a straddle so i wouldn’t say 200bb deep, looks more like 120bb deep. regardless you have a pure bluff catcher facing a river overbet.. if he’s loose and bluffs often you can consider calling.

bigger issue is pre, cold calling this 3b seems like torching $. 4bet or fold
Actually 200 straddle blinds deep. Was playing in position and wanted to disguise my hand strength to a loose and aggressive villain.
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Old 05-19-2021, 12:21 PM   #4
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Re: GTO to call top pair top kicker on river shove?

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3 bet an early position limper to 125.
This is not actually a 3bet right its just a raise over a limp? If it is I like preflop

I think a turn all in can be considered if the 9 brings a backdoor flush draw. We can stack KQ right now while forcing folds from holdings that have decent equity against us.

As played I would fold river I doubt villains are capable of bluffing 4 straight rivers at a proper frequency. Furthermore SB villain is loose, allotting more 8x combinations into his preflop and therefore river jam.
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Old 05-19-2021, 07:46 PM   #5
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Re: GTO to call top pair top kicker on river shove?

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ok there’s a straddle so i wouldn’t say 200bb deep, looks more like 120bb deep. regardless you have a pure bluff catcher facing a river overbet.. if he’s loose and bluffs often you can consider calling.

bigger issue is pre, cold calling this 3b seems like torching $. 4bet or fold
u realize theres a limper whos prolly a fish, u wanna do everything possible to get the fish in the pot postflop so u can destroy his range u dont wanna scare him away and get gto war with regs with equal strong range, doing anything but calling pre here is torching massive ev


as for the hand u have plenty of straights here to call on the river or sets or two pairs, i would fold here not expekt many bluffs either when ur range has the straights, also cant see many bluffs for him to have omn this board. u also forgot to post any suits
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Old 05-19-2021, 07:50 PM   #6
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Re: GTO to call top pair top kicker on river shove?

It would be helpful to know if there was a bdfd ott, as this might affect play on that street. But, since you asked if this is a GTO call, I think the answer is yes. V bet 1500 into a little over 1800 (so, not an over bet s someone else said.) meaning you need to defend 55% of your range. I think you’re very near the top of your flop and turn calling range. So, I think this is probably a call, by the numbers.


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Old 05-19-2021, 09:20 PM   #7
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Re: GTO to call top pair top kicker on river shove?

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u realize theres a limper whos prolly a fish, u wanna do everything possible to get the fish in the pot postflop so u can destroy his range u dont wanna scare him away and get gto war with regs with equal strong range, doing anything but calling pre here is torching massive ev


as for the hand u have plenty of straights here to call on the river or sets or two pairs, i would fold here not expekt many bluffs either when ur range has the straights, also cant see many bluffs for him to have omn this board. u also forgot to post any suits

OP wrote 3b pre, i misunderstood action. thought it was minraise / 3b 125, not limp / raise. i agree calling is good pre
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