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Old 09-11-2017, 05:40 PM   #1
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GTO 6max 4b ranges

Been having a hard time defending when hero is the 3bettor vs balanced 4bettor ....what ranges should i be defending when IP and oop ...examples co/hj vs btn and vice versa.
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:58 PM   #2
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Re: GTO 6max 4b ranges

Download PokerSnowie preflop Advisor app.

Boom. Done.
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:39 PM   #3
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Download PokerSnowie preflop Advisor app.

Boom. Done.
can you explain the number/color scheme in that app? for example, im assuming green squares = always 5bet, orange squares with numbers are frequency 5bets at that %? then what about orange blocks with no numbers and white blocks with numbers?

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Old 09-21-2017, 02:50 PM   #4
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can you explain the number/color scheme in that app? for example, im assuming green squares = always 5bet, orange squares with numbers are frequency 5bets at that %? then what about orange blocks with no numbers and white blocks with numbers?
If you click help question mark while looking at a table, it explains that the number is the percentage of time you should raise instead of doing what the box color suggests.
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Old 09-21-2017, 06:31 PM   #5
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If you click help question mark while looking at a table
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:47 PM   #6
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Re: GTO 6max 4b ranges

Pio Solver get some nice young Indian broke student IT chap to code some scripts for peanuts with the range/stats/position from HEM.


Play perfect un exploitable poker and when you make enough $$$$$ update your rig to be able to process this in real time and make it rain.
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Old 09-25-2017, 01:28 PM   #7
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Pio Solver get some nice young Indian broke student IT chap to code some scripts for peanuts with the range/stats/position from HEM.


Play perfect un exploitable poker and when you make enough $$$$$ update your rig to be able to process this in real time and make it rain.
well played.
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Old 09-25-2017, 02:23 PM   #8
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Re: GTO 6max 4b ranges

What's the cost for the Preflop Advisor app?
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:42 AM   #9
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What's the cost for the Preflop Advisor app?
Free. Google it, you can view it from your web browser. And snowie pre is not optimal. Most of it's ranges are just way too tight because it's playing against itself. It does some extremely weird things pre-flop (Sulsky has mentioned this too).
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:50 PM   #10
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Re: GTO 6max 4b ranges

Snowie is not really unexploitable, it's just solid EV approximations. Which at enough iterations comes out to the same, but currently the ranges still change a bunch are many of them are obviously not unexploitable.

MonkerSolver has multiway preflop solves for sale
SimplePostflop has various preflop solves for sale with fixed opening ranges and HU
PioCloud has similar stuff to Simple

You can run your own solves too on all those programs


They can never be GTO due to abstraction constraints, and they don't tell you how defend vs every possible size real life throws at you, but they'll make your default preflop game strong enough with just 100-200 ranges to memorize to be on par with the world's best players (you might be worse than them in non-default spots like varied stack sizes and with fish, and also postflop)
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:19 AM   #11
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Re: GTO 6max 4b ranges

I think the best thing to do is use approximation. Just know where the rough range should be and decide if you need to bluff a bit more or take it back a notch.

So lets say you are on the button and just 3-bet the CO player who now makes a 4-bet. You can now 5-bet all-in with JJ+ AQs+ and AKo for value. For bluffs throw in a couple of low suited aces. Your best bet for 5-bet bluffs is to choose hands that block 5-bet calling hands and also perform well against them. 5-bet calling hands from that spot are usually JJ+ and AK.

As a nice rule of thumb. Try using a 1:2 value:bluff ratio for 3-bets. 6:4 value:bluff ratio for 4-bets. 4:1 value:bluff ratio for 5-bets. This is not exact, but it will be better for your game overall. Having a rough guideline will allow you to play in better accordance to reads of other players rather than confined robotic play.

I think going the game theory route can actually make you suck more at poker. This is just speaking from my experience. I know that I can get caught up in trying to play theoretically correct that I miss out on opportunity. For example, sometimes you see someone who 4-bets very seldom and accidently end up 5-betting all-in with A4s. Another spot where I may have A 9 on a triple diamond board. I'll overbet all-in on this river because I have the cousin diamond suit (hearts) with an odd ranked card which is to mimic what I would do with the nut flush at a 4:1 value:bluff ratio. This might make my value:bluff ratio a more balancy look. This overthinking can sometimes be a disservice, because you may make a bluff you strongly feel you will get called with and end up screwing yourself out of more money.

If you are a loose aggressive player you can sometimes get away with 3-betting a bit tighter and still have the perception of having a wide range.


For simplification purposes in your learning purposes, try not flatting any 4-bets. Either 5-bet or fold. This goes for IP and OOP. I am aware there will be many that will disagree with this advice, but I think overcomplication is a ticket to making you make mistakes.

There are some players out there trying to develop a donking range in HU pots. IMO, why bother. Keep it simple if you can. Don't make ranges for the sake of making ranges. Do what makes money and don't trap yourself in a poker box.
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Old 09-28-2017, 03:26 PM   #12
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Re: GTO 6max 4b ranges

wtf is this cousin suit thing?
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:45 AM   #13
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wtf is this cousin suit thing?
I like calling the other suit of the same color the cousin suit.

Hearts is the cousin suit of diamonds. Diamonds are the cousin suit of hearts. Spades are the cousin suit of clubs. Clubs are the cousin suit of spades.

When I need a randomizer to perform a certain bluff a specific amount of the time I can use cousin suits to act as if I have a flush when I don't.

Let's say the best hand possible at a given river is the nut flush of spades requiring A x. Now, say there is an exact bet size that I would only make with the nut flush or a complete bluff. For fun, let's say this is a 3x overbet all-in. To make an opponent indifferent that would be 4:3 value:bluff ratio.

If I have all A x hands in my range and I bluff all-in every time with A x (without a spade) then I will be bluffing all-in too much. My ratio would be 4:12 or 1:3. To randomize this I can choose cousin suits and bluff with only A x. This gives a 4:4 ratio. I'm still bluffing too much. If I only choose to bluff with A x when the x card is an even number I get approximately 4:2 ratio. So now I'm not bluffing enough, but that is better than bluffing too much.

I still do stuff like this, but I think it is very easy to fall into the trap of becoming a mindless robot and making bluffs where you know you shouldn't.
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