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NL10 Zoom AA UTG good fold? NL10 Zoom AA UTG good fold?

09-28-2017 , 01:41 PM
What do you think about this hand? I'm pretty tilted after this one


    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37838828

    BTN: $12.17 (121.7 bb)
    SB: $11.30 (113 bb)
    Hero (BB): $24.36 (243.6 bb)
    UTG: $10.81 (108.1 bb)
    MP: $23.62 (236.2 bb)
    CO: $4.10 (41 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
    UTG raises to $0.20, MP calls $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.80, MP calls $0.80

    Flop: ($3.05) K 6 5 (3 players)
    Hero bets $1.30, UTG raises to $2.60, MP calls $2.60, Hero calls $1.30

    Turn: ($10.85) 5 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $7.21 and is all-in, MP calls $7.21, Hero folds

    River: ($25.27) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $25.27 pot ($1.14 rake)
    Final Board: K 6 5 5 6
    Hero mucked A A and lost (-$3.60 net)
    UTG showed A 4 and lost (-$10.81 net)
    MP showed A K and won $24.13 ($13.32 net)



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    NL10 Zoom AA UTG good fold? Quote
    09-28-2017 , 02:00 PM
    Can't fold without reads. If he has 66,55,65s, it's not unreasonable to give him 98s,87s
    Oh didn't realize MP called shove. Gotta think about this some more

    Last edited by Renekton; 09-28-2017 at 02:06 PM. Reason: Whoops
    NL10 Zoom AA UTG good fold? Quote
    09-28-2017 , 02:52 PM
    UTG looks to have predominately AK or 55-66. I'd expect AA and KK to reraise preflop, KQ should be afraid to shove turn after raising flop and getting called in two spots, but I guess KQ is possible from some players.

    MP has played so passively that they should either have a set that is Slowplaying after set-mining or suited connectors that have hit a draw on the flop.

    UTG - AK, KQ (discounting KQ to 4 combos as its less likely, so 10 combos you are beating)
    Or 66, 55 (4 combos)
    MP - 87s (4 combos)
    Or 66, 55 ( 4 combos) (I'm assuming 65 would raise flop since they are vulnerable to so many turn cards)

    So 26% of the time you are drawing to 2 outs vs UTG, 50% of the time you are drawing to 2 outs vs MP.

    So 37% of the time your opponents are drawing to around 11 outs, and 63% of the time you are drawing to 2 outs.

    (.37 × ((.74 × 25.27) - (.26 × 7.21)) + (.63 × ((.05 × 25.27) - (.95 × 7.21)) = 37% of the time your EV is +$16.83 and 63% your EV is -$5.59

    Average EV on the call = +$2.71

    However, you still have $12.81 left behind, and on the river, you won't have a clear plan on how to proceed. Shoving turn isn't going to be great since you'll likely just force the draw to fold but get your money in way behind against the sets. I think the turn call will be profitable, though.
    NL10 Zoom AA UTG good fold? Quote
    09-28-2017 , 03:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by _TheMilkman_
    UTG looks to have predominately AK or 55-66. I'd expect AA and KK to reraise preflop, KQ should be afraid to shove turn after raising flop and getting called in two spots, but I guess KQ is possible from some players.

    MP has played so passively that they should either have a set that is Slowplaying after set-mining or suited connectors that have hit a draw on the flop.

    UTG - AK, KQ (discounting KQ to 4 combos as its less likely, so 10 combos you are beating)
    Or 66, 55 (4 combos)
    MP - 87s (4 combos)
    Or 66, 55 ( 4 combos) (I'm assuming 65 would raise flop since they are vulnerable to so many turn cards)

    So 26% of the time you are drawing to 2 outs vs UTG, 50% of the time you are drawing to 2 outs vs MP.

    So 37% of the time your opponents are drawing to around 11 outs, and 63% of the time you are drawing to 2 outs.

    (.37 × ((.74 × 25.27) - (.26 × 7.21)) + (.63 × ((.05 × 25.27) - (.95 × 7.21)) = 37% of the time your EV is +$16.83 and 63% your EV is -$5.59

    Average EV on the call = +$2.71

    However, you still have $12.81 left behind, and on the river, you won't have a clear plan on how to proceed. Shoving turn isn't going to be great since you'll likely just force the draw to fold but get your money in way behind against the sets. I think the turn call will be profitable, though.
    Thanks for the math haha, from the way MP plays this hand so passively and we are both (200bb) deep I was sure he was holding 66. I'm so lost with how to play the hand, If I called the UTG Raise on the turn I would be ****ting bricks on the river.
    NL10 Zoom AA UTG good fold? Quote
    09-28-2017 , 03:44 PM
    You need 22.2% to call profitably.
    Assumed ranges:
    UTG: 66,55,6x5x,8x7x,9x8x
    MP: 66,55,8d7d,KxQx
    Your equity: 27.31%

    You will have $12.81 left in a pot of $32.48. You need a plan of what rivers you're going to call if MP shoves.

    Defining exact ranges is pretty hard because other reasonable ranges for UTG and MP are:
    UTG: 66,55,6x5x,8x7x,9d8d
    MP: 66,55,8d7d,6x5x,KxQx
    Your equity: 20.56%

    Without reads I like the fold. MP may not call the turn bet w/ KxQx because your range is strong (KK+,KJs+) and he is getting crushed. This drives your equity down further.
    NL10 Zoom AA UTG good fold? Quote
    09-28-2017 , 06:17 PM
    I think AK has to be in UTG's range, which increases your equity.

    Last edited by _TheMilkman_; 09-28-2017 at 06:40 PM.
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    09-28-2017 , 06:46 PM
    Yeah, with the cold call of the flop raise, I like the turn fold after the shove and call. I think we'd need some more stats/ reads to make the turn call.
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    09-29-2017 , 01:31 AM
    If u had a read that MP is a fish, this would be a call.

    Think I'd call this even it was vs more rec/reg players..
    Turn blocks loads of UTG's sets, which leads his range weighting more towards Kx...
    NL10 Zoom AA UTG good fold? Quote
    09-29-2017 , 02:05 AM
    Is shoving the turn here really that bad?

    UTGs aggression suggests that he is firing again preflop if he has KK, so I'm assuming this is AK/KQ. A shove on turn gives MP **** pot odds to call a draw with (if he isn't also hanging out with a similar hand to UTG), but I'm not convinced he folds to it based on all the calling he's done up to this point.
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