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06-05-2008 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthmunk
idk, hellmuth has probably made more money than anyone out of poker and he berates people, so it would be kind of foolish to think that the metagame involving berating the fish is automatically -EV.
Hellmuth berates people in a tournament where they feel lucky to play him, not in some online cash game that the guy could leave and never come back from.
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06-05-2008 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthmunk
1. I really doubt that steve_haris is noticing that the game is breaking after he leaves table. I think he clearly "xs" out of the table.

2. I think that if you weren't a multimillionaire poker superstar, and one of the several people in the game, pooling together money/selling off action/taking a shot because of the obviously very profitable conditions with the huge idiot in the game, you wouldn't "play another 2 orbits on principal." I know if I bought action of someone in that game and I would definitely not want any action after Steve left, and you are only one of the few people that can play 40knl on your own.

All debates on this topic are ridiculous because everyone at the end of the day cares about their own bottom line. If they believe that berating the fish/not berating the fish/doing w/e they want will make them the most money, they will do it.
this is a very valid point. i play up to 50/100 but i am currently trying to sell 50% so i can play in the steve harris game. i dont think i would care about playing even 1 more hand if steve leaves.
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06-05-2008 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by stealthmunk
1. I really doubt that steve_haris is noticing that the game is breaking after he leaves table. I think he clearly "xs" out of the table.
This happened exact thing happened on a Prima table. The player thought the other guys were colluding against him and I haven not seen him back since.

I was one of the players who sat out and I have since learned my lesson. Unfortunately I gave up a tremendous amount of EV to do it.

Kyle
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06-06-2008 , 12:17 AM
Trex and cts would insta sit out when World1969 or w.e would sit out @ 500-1000 cap. It got to the point where he finally asked if they were friends. He didnt leave or anything but it would surprise me to see him give them action again, not sure how much they care or why i posted this but w.e
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05-20-2009 , 09:22 PM
With the WSOP 2009 pilgrimage just around the corner and the flood of "internet kids" coming in town this thread deserves a quality bump. Remember to be respectful and classy with the players at the table. When you do this the gamblers will enjoy their pastime that much more and will continue to give us action well into the future.
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05-20-2009 , 10:45 PM
Isn't doing rabbit ears behind Laak on HSP when your bluffing him considered berating a fish?
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05-21-2009 , 12:07 AM
If this thread's about some specific instances where people were being out of line with how they deal with the fish in some 200/400 game online, then fine but I really don't think it's necessary to make sure that people "don't alienate the fish in Vegas". I mean even at 5/10, there's almost always a friendly cordial atmosphere at the table with no one talking strategy. This isn't exactly a new idea. You'll get a couple cranky nits at 30/60 LHE too, but if you're playing any higher than that, I almost never see winning players berate the fish in Vegas.
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05-21-2009 , 12:24 AM
viffer, ur an idiot.
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05-21-2009 , 01:05 AM
prolly best bump ever
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05-21-2009 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by pocket_focket
viffer, ur an idiot.
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05-21-2009 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by stealthmunk
Hellmuth berates players and makes more money than anyone in live poker.

I think that this clearly proves that berating players is +EV and Viffer's entire argument is flawed.

By not making fun of the rich fish, getting them riled up and coming after you, you are losing EV.

That said, "LOLOLOLOLLO STEVE_HARIS OMG WTF HAHAHAHA 33 HAHAHA LOL"
wow..just wow
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05-21-2009 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by viffer


i hope you all die in a grease fire.
ill try to help. heres how people should think of this stuff. YOU'RE THE CASINO (if youre a winner). if any money was to be made by berating your customers steve wynn would have dealers who laughed in your face everytime you stood on 16 v. a dealer 7 or took a hardway bet. the way you make money busting gamblers is by being nice, being stupid, and, if all else fails, being quiet.

do this the next time youre in a game. somebody is gonna say something really stupid, like, ak is a fave over TT ai preflop and YOURE GONNA AGREE WITH THEM. the world will open up to you after this.
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05-21-2009 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by lgas

He kept talking about how he used to be a spy and all kinds of stuff like that. Then after he left one of the dealers said "he's for real... look him up on Google." so I did. Now I don't know what to think.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity...ty=randy_glass

guy in second picture? if yes he may be outside of you're house informing government of you're illegal online poker playing
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05-21-2009 , 02:36 AM
its pretty EZ guys.

Rich fish playing for fun: be nice to

Egomaniac young players that think they are good but are not and are tilting: berate but not to the point they get upset and quit.

anyone who is mean to a rich fish playing just for fun is a total idiot.
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05-21-2009 , 04:41 AM
JUST MAKE SURE TO GET MATCHING POCKET PROTECTORS, AND MAYBE BRING A MOUSE TO THE TABLE SO YOU DONT FEEL TO UNCOMFY!!
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05-21-2009 , 05:27 AM
oh viffer, when do you want to get hammered all night long on my tab?

Last edited by Maximum Rocknroll; 05-21-2009 at 05:28 AM. Reason: in vegas
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05-23-2009 , 11:18 AM
please no god-damn strat discussions after a hand, ty
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05-23-2009 , 01:06 PM
Good point. In fact I'd go as far as to say that this is more of a problem than the berating of fish.
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05-23-2009 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_focket
viffer, ur an idiot.
I dunno, his 6th grade humor and rampant degeneracy kinda grows on you...
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05-23-2009 , 01:40 PM
Viff , you destroyed that guy in the 1/2 deuce to 7 pl game the other night huh? Sick game, i was in the game behind yours and was sweating the action. Good work
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05-24-2009 , 02:15 AM
armen do you go by armen on the waitlists? i recognize that name... cant put a face to you tho
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05-25-2009 , 10:59 AM
Why hasn't anyone mentioned acting like a normal person would act?

Instead of pretending you don't care about being sucked out on, show your emotion but don't be a dick about it and start whining. Basically, don't insult the fish. But don't be too nice either to the point where any intelligent person would notice that it's contrived.

I think remaining neutral at the table is best.
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05-28-2009 , 08:43 AM
I agree with Viffer's sentiments.

While I don't try and be nice to fish, I definitely like to encourage them to play worse, but sympathising with how "unlucky" they got and how they played perfectly and did not deserve to lose.

Yesterday I was in a juicy game with two uber fish. I was absolutely tilted by the fact that these two young guys, a German pro and a Scandinavian pro, kept on dispensing advice to the fish and explaning the thought process behind the hands, talking about +EV, etc.

Obviously they failed to grasp that the LEAST +EV thing they could do was to provide free coaching for the fish at the table.

There was one pot where an uber fish lost like over $5k of his $10k stack with Q4 on a board of Q4J, to the other guys QJ by calling big bets on every street.

Fish (distraught): For f*cks sake

Me: You were very unlucky. I think you actually played really well, you lost the minimum. Had it been me, I would have raised on the flop and got it all in. Well done, the money you don't lose is the same as the money you win.

Smart-ass: What were you doing calling a raise preflop with Q4o anyway

Fish: Since that last pot I lost, the luck has changed totally, I can't win a pot anymore

Smart-ass: Don't be results oriented. It's a long run game

Me (gives the smart-ass a nudge and a dirty look): Yeah that's how it is sometimes. These things come in spurts. But after this cooler you took, you are due a good run soon.


Comments like that just f*cking put me on tilt
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05-29-2009 , 12:32 PM
ADZ is a ****ing idiot, he keeps doing this. Especially when he loses. They should ban his chat.
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07-09-2009 , 09:41 PM
Fish could head for the door, receive a phone call about a cancellation in plans, and return to see that game is dead. Prolly happens more than you think.
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