At a must-move waiting for the main game, we’re playing five handed but a couple people are up from the table. Never played with anyone here before. After an hour I’m up a bit to $1700.

V1 is an older (50-60ish) asian guy who’s been loose all night. At $2500ish now.
V2 is a young dude wearing a hoodie. Bought in for the minimum, now around $1000. He seems very high to the point of obliviousness.

V1 opens button to $40 (standard for him).
I three bet the SB with KQhh to $150.
V2 calls. V1 calls.


Flop (Pot $450)
K98 with a flush draw and one heart.
I continue for $150 and get called in both spots.


Turn (Pot $900)
Ad.
Checks through.


River (Pot $900)
Qx, no flush.
I check, V2 bets $600 leaving like $150 behind, V1 cuts out raising chips and fiddles around for two minutes before calling.


I don’t see much I can beat here but ofc I hate folding...

Opinions?

Is V2 BB?

Yeah we’re 3 handed 5/10

I play PLO not NL but it appears to me that we can pot this flop?

Being OOP vs 2 with a good but vulnerable hand that has no incentive to see turns and rivers with money behind on such a dynamic board. A large part of our range wants to do exactly that and it's exactly what 90% of our opponents' range doesn't want us to do with strong 1 pair holdings.

Possible. I tend to use more checks & c/rs in multiway pots OOP than I would against a single player OOP, which to me means I should use a smaller size when I do bet as my best and low sdv hands will be in the c/r category.

After getting called in two places preflop, and with a very connected flop, we need to split our range at the flop and use a large sizing. My flop cbet sizing would be 300-350 (its a little awkward with V2 in BB only having 1k).

Given that sizing (and I think we cant go less), I would check KQ here, betting AK+ for value... We have all the sets, AA, AK, and 89s, K9s (maybe?) for two pair. I think its enough to balance our bluffs which should be somewhat scaled back due to facing two opponents OOP in a 3B pot.

I dont like cbetting KQ because we should do a good amount of checking in this situation (checking more than betting), and KQ is a nice hand to have in that checking range for defensive reasons. Also, having the backdoor flush and Q makes me very slightly less inclined to bet this top pair since it blocks some potential calls from Vs with backdoor flush and gutshot straight draws. What is your checking range on the flop?

As for river decision as played its tough, you have to make a judgement call. Theory isnt really very helpful when one guy is blazed and the other is too loose. I'm not that worried about V2/BB who very easily could have lots of bluffs, but V1's call is concerning. Are we winning more than 22% of the time? Doesnt really feel like it to me. Best case I can come up with is V1 floated with AJ/AT and made a hero call with it on the river. Its odd that he would cut out raising chips with this kind of hand on the river with only us left to act / BB comitted (and we appear to be waving the white flag) ... so yeah I am folding.

Isn't AK a better check than KQ?

Also I guess OP you should probably define your preflop range more specifically.

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I’m 3b button open from SB and we’re deeper than 100bb. I don’t often flat here but might do so with some weak pocket pairs and scs.

77+, Axs, AJo, K9s, KQo, Q9s, QJo, J8s, JTo rarely, and a few other suited hands (maybe 87s, 97s, 65s type stuff.)

BB cold call range is the strongest range preflop. You are also OOP to two players. So you should probably start with 100% flop check.

Kxx texture might be enough reason to bet some hands (as you have AK advantage), but I don't think so with K98 and FD. But if you think so, you should go for 2-street plan with a good chunk of those KQ+ hands, and not 1/3!

I think 1/3 flop here is a huge mistake actually.



Turn A is really good for you. No one is floating AQ here (maybe BU with AhQx), Some 99 88 K9s 98s surely raise flop, and A9s A8s are very few combos, and BU may even fold flop with them. So you are mostly worried about Ax FD but that's it.

So very high frequency 2barrel spot for you. Now sizing is unclear since they have different stack sizes. But ok, you have KQ, and I don't think you can merger jam here vs 2 guys, so check should be clearly the only option. (Or 1/4 now? Maybe)



River Q not sure what you could get value from. Some Ax FD will call 1/4 or 1/3, but it's not much. Q9s from BU will pay you, but that's so few combos. Still, checking isn't getting much done either. I think I'd just 1/3 lead it and hope that's better than checking. People hate folding esp in live poker, so if you're lucky you get a call from KJ.

Anyway, check is fine. BB betting river has zero bluffs. I mean he might bluff with JJ TT but realistically people don't do this. So this is a nut only type range and should be a fold even heads up for you. (He has QQ, some KK AA AK, some 99 88, some JTs, some KQs).

With BU calling, I doubt that makes it any better for you?! BU may call Ax with busted FD I think. Actually not many better hands he can have, cause JTs raises right. So maybe his call does make it better for you! Hmmm.

I think it's a fold since BB is too strong anyway but I guess it's possible BB is being weird with something and BU is just a fishy caller and you're somehow priced in.

I think it's a fold as played.

I think sizing on flop is fine. using 1/3 cbet sizing as a standard size is totally fine unless you have specific reasons to step away from that ( betting bigger leaves bad player with potbet behind on turn etc ).

I would probably 2nd barrel turn small, because it's a great card for you to rep, and they can't really ever bluff you on it. If you get raised vs your turn cbet, you are beat basically 100% of the time ( it won't happen often either way, most people would still just flat even if they had flopped nuts or turned two pair ). If you get called ( very unlikely by both players ), you can evaluate the river, and in this case decide between a check call, check fold or bet fold.

i think you have the caller beat most of the time. Given villain descriptions I probably find a call.

Fold

No. We can get three streets from AK in some situations, even taking this flop multi-way (both opponents are probably wider than they should be). KQ would probably be too thin.

So you’ll have to check a street. Flop is a good one to do it on.


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I'll avoid analysing flop play, as people smarter than me have already done that. But turn, as played, is a two barrel for value/equity denial. When we consider what Ax they have, it is really very few combos, mainly Axhh. BB could sometimes have AK here only on your description of him being blazed out of his mind, but it's unlikely, and BTN is likely folding A9 & A8 preflop, or on the flop. We shouldn't expect to see a raise here very often either, and when we do we can pretty easily fold. AP, on the river, BB can have a ton of bluffs here, so if he bet and BTN folds, I think we have an easy call. When BTN calls, it becomes tougher, but what do we really lose to? I can only really think of Axhh that he didn't bet the turn with. This really feels like KT, KJ that can't fold as you checked twice and don't appear very strong. Maybe the "cutting out raising chips" was a way of attempting to convey strength to discourage a call from you? IDK, but I don't think I fold here.

I bet more on flop (250-300ish). I like the turn check, but I see the arguments for betting. As played thus far, I don't see how you can do anything but call the river. Your hand looks much weaker than it is.

Can't 3 bet KQs 3way and check K98 flop here. What is this $150 probe bet business. That's not going to help you 3 handed here.