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Does running it twice change how you play? Does running it twice change how you play?

07-12-2018 , 03:51 PM
I play in a home game where its customary to run it twice. Does anyone have any strategy for playing any different than normal?

It would seem if someone puts you all in after the flop and you have for example the nut flush draw, wouldn't you be more apt to call getting 4 cards vs 2?

If you fold you lose the pot entirely and all you need is one of your suit on two boards to chop. Is it more worth it to call on draws EV wise?

Is there any math that changes and thus ones style of play?
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07-12-2018 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dannyboy6292
I play in a home game where its customary to run it twice. Does anyone have any strategy for playing any different than normal?
just adjust to your opponents.

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It would seem if someone puts you all in after the flop and you have for example the nut flush draw, wouldn't you be more apt to call getting 4 cards vs 2?
you shouldn't. but others might. keep that in mind.

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If you fold you lose the pot entirely and all you need is one of your suit on two boards to chop. Is it more worth it to call on draws EV wise?
No, your EV is the same.

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Is there any math that changes and thus ones style of play?
the math won't change. if your bankroll is short, then consider risk of ruin calculations. then find a smaller game.
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07-12-2018 , 05:34 PM
Welp.... That just about settles that.

Thank you!
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07-19-2018 , 02:44 PM
Personally I hate it, but meh.

General answer is if you have the best hand, the more times you run it, the better it is for you. Bad hand is vice versa.

I'm not sure I'd play any villains or my own hands differently at all.
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07-19-2018 , 04:57 PM
It's not really "better" for anyone. That's not a good term to use here as long as you're dealing with a large enough sample size. It reduces variance. That's all.

In the short term, there are times when it's "better" for the worst hand if you have a situation where there's a hand that's ahead without a reasonable chance of a redraw, like TPTK vs. an open-ended straight draw. In that case, the OESD has a slightly higher chance of drawing on the 2nd board since there's 2 less cards to draw from and it gets a slight advantage to chop.

This advantage can just as easily go the opposite direction though with the better hand being something stronger, like a set vs. an OESD.

In the end it all evens out and it really only serves the purpose of variance reduction. You shouldn't look at it as anything otherwise. Play the same game you would whether you ran it once or twice.
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07-20-2018 , 07:38 AM
It absolutely affects peoples play. They will be much more likely to call when behind with pot odds if you RIT. As mentioned above it changes the marh on risk of ruin, because it cuts their variance.
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07-20-2018 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
It absolutely affects peoples play. They will be much more likely to call when behind with pot odds if you RIT. As mentioned above it changes the marh on risk of ruin, because it cuts their variance.
I have to agree with you. I feel people are more likely to call an all in with say a nut flush draw after flop with over knowing they may have overs and 4 cards to make a flush for at minimum a chop. Draws seem to call more...
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07-28-2018 , 07:33 PM
A minor concern is it can slow the game down
1) "do you want to run it twice" "up to you mate" "I usually do it but here I feel like not" "we don't have to do it" ....
2) Chopping the pot


On the plus side, it might make people more happy to gamble and it can be fun to just see more cards
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