Hero: young male, early in today's session, bit of history with V. Caught bluffing many times but up big overall on this guy over the last month. Table image for everyone who's played with me recently is that I'm solid pre, too aggro post but I've actually just run well all year.

V: 22 year old pro. generally quiet/reserved but friendly with me, probably just entertaining the fish. bluffed me off AA once and showed the bluff.

I have $4k, V covers. 5/10/20 straddle.

Both of us, as well as rest of the table, are a couple drinks deep. This lineup got to the table about an hour ago, we're both in for $3000 and up $2k quick from one guy who dumped HARD basically martingaling the table ($500 buy-in, shoved and lost, $1000 buy-in, shoved and lost.. etc up to the max $3000, shoved and lost with Q3 then left)

I raise A5dd in HJ to $60. V in CO calls. rest of table folds.

9d 5c 2c flop. I bet $40, V raises to $150, I three-bet to $350, V calls.
3s turn. I check, V bets $500, I call.
3d river. I check, V slides three $1k chips in the pot. There was $1855 in there before the bet.

Hero? I strongly believe V is three-betting 99 almost every time preflop.

Seems really clicky, why are you 3b flop?
X/c flop
Even if he never has 99 which seems optimistic he still has 4 combos of sets and some A4s he plays this way


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Is it that bad against V raising range OTF? I feel like he’s going to float with tons of Ax, any pocket pair. raise with the rare sets and any draws, as well as potentially hands like random overcard combos. he’s going to call with a lot of hands in position, so I’m denying equity to lots of stuff.

also getting money in ahead of some combo draws with a chance to barrel turns that give bdfd, gutters.

What do you think his raising range OTF is?
What part of this range do you think raise/folds?

This is why I don’t like 3b flop, I doubt he is folding any hand that is in his raising range (except for pure air balls like KJs but I expect these hands he floats instead of raising)

Also and probably more importantly, If we’re cbetting this combo, do we have a flop check range?



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Your cbet is fine (tho I'd bet more), the 3 bet is not. Just call ainec.

As played, this just comes down to your read otr. What can he have when he flatcalls the flop and makes this turn bet? What do you think he puts you on given the action thus far? Have you seen him overbet bluff the river before or is he the type who just likes to make it seem bluffy when, in fact, he's vbetting? 99 is not the only hand you should be worried about here....

Not a fan of the flop 3bet I see how you justified it by denying equity but as previously mentioned I also don't think he is folding any hands that are in his raising range otf. As far as the hand in entirety I think you've narrowed Villains range far to much... clearly 99 should be 3betting from CO after a Hijack raise but hands such as A4 suited 22, 55 (yes we block, Case cards do exist) 66 and maybe even 77 can all be flatting to peel a flop especially knowing implied odds with stack sizes and villain having position against an opponent who is perceived to play overly aggressive post flop... (which given your flop line seems accurate imo lol).

I think underpairs to the board seem unlikely. Not impossible but villain would have to have a real read on hero to have 66-88 here. Overpairs and 9x seem more likely to be in the value range. Tough spot regardless.

i may have misrepresented my thoughts in OP. didn’t narrow V to nuts or air here or I would’ve called already. I just thought 99 was one hand out of V range that he knew I could have and he probably knew I knew he didn’t have to help inform opinion.

Two things caught my eye:
[1] You are drinking.
[2] He bluffed you off your obvious over-pair and HE SHOWED THE BLUFF. For conservative types, this is clearly setting you to make the terrible call later. If you have yet to make such a terrible call, I'm supposing he may still be trying.
[3] The way I read it, you have split 5s with a pair of 3s in a pot with 6 different bets/raises. You can only beat a bluff. 3 bluffs, even after you 3-bet the flop. You need to have seen THIS player do this before; in fact fairly often. I play in mostly weak-tight games, and can safely say I've never been in your position before. I would have dumped it sooner.
(Did you typo, and in fact flopped a flush draw with your pair?)

Agreed 100% Villian is not barreling turn after having his raise 3bet otf with a 9 in his hand unless of course it's 99. I find 66-88 to be highly unlikely as well given action through the turn. I was more or less trying to make the case that villains range can be a lot wider than insinuated in OP.

You grossly over-repped your hand on the flop and villain still bet big on the turn and overbet river. Your hand looks like a good overpair and it looks like villain was trying to get max value with a value hand. Also, it wasn't clear from your description whether villain bluffed you off AA in the same session or in the past. If he bluffed you off AA in this session and showed, I'd say it's less likely he'd bluff here again.

But villain only flatted your flop raise. Hmmm...

Could villain have 34?

Flop is pure spew,

AP, you have a surprisingly good hand to hero with if you really want to.

We block straights, and boats, esp if we don't think he can have many (or any) combos of 99. We also don't block clubs.

That said, this is a stupid spot to have put ourselves into.

I like your flop bet if you are betting a small sizing with a lot of your hands on your range on this texture.

3betting serves no purpose though after being raised. By doing so you dont allow villain to continue bluffing and you are getting called by worse most of the time. If you call there are plenty of good/decent turns for you. Diamond, Ace, 5, 3, 4.

After he calls your 3bet you should be pretty much giving up at this point besides diamond, ace, and five turns.

As played. On the river you have one of the best bluff catchers possible. If you can rule out 99 from villains range having the 5 blocker is pretty big here as the second 3 gets rid of a ton of his set combos. You also block some a3. I just dont think many opponents are taking this line as a bluff though and I am probably folding turn.

Ty to replies. Definitely got out of line with the 3b lol.
Ended up calling, not out of live reads or anything but because I thought he was just repping so thin with a bet this big. He says “you’re good”, so I flip my hand over, and he mucks. I liked him too much to ask to see his hand.

To this day, unsure of what he had but he claimed to have had “two overs with clubs.”

Don't drink. You are paying hundreds of dollars in EV for each drink. Would you pay $200 for a drink? I wouldn't think so. Don't do it.

Flop play, I mean it's all possibly justifiable, but you are likely spewing hard and need to learn to be more tight solid. You'll win more that way.

Don't cbet OOP on a bad texture for you.
Don't 3b OOP small, it's quite weird. You know you'll get called, but his range is still well-spread, so turn/river play will be just awful for you.

[You can 3b big, and jam turns, play it hard. If he's raising some 9x and strong draws on the flop, that's sexy with your hand. But you'd have to overpot flop to like $800 and 1.5x or even 2x turn all-in. Which is possible but quite big. Is potentially max-EV though if he likes raising flop with all kind of solid equity hands.]

Turn check is good, when he bets it's tricky. It's not a spot to auto-bet draws for him at all. Hard to say. Fold seems fine, call seems fine. I'd think whether he's loose enough to play 9x/TT/JJ like this, which obviously hurts you. I'd think whether he's the type who can't check back a draw with showdown value like Khi and Ahi FDs, which helps you.

River overbet is a few premiums and a few bluffs. While you are kind of saying you are around top pair hand strength with the turn line, I doub't he'd ever overbet an A9 or TT there, and probably not even a 43. I see it like turn, fold is fine, call is fine. You got a solid hero calling hand at this point. But given it's an overbet you should mostly fold.

One thing, if you 3b flop like you did, it should be clear to you that you will get into turn/river spots like this a lot. And I think the only reason to 3b flop small would be that you are comfortable in these kinds of spots, having a good feeling about these hero-call spot situations. If you don't have this confidence, your small flop 3b is just really weird to me.

I strongly disagree with people criticizing hero for having a few drinks. There are several whales I can think of who I play 2-5 and 5-T home games with who play much worse when they start drinking. They don't feel as comfortable drinking alone, so by me and the other regs having a few drinks, they end up having 10-15 over the course of a 10 hr session. Live poker, especially in private games, is all about being someone fish want to play with. Otherwise you don't get the text when good games are running.

As far as this hand goes, I see why you're tempted to hero call. He has max 10 value combos and definitely gets to the river with enough FDs, gutters and random floats that he could be over bluffing. I probably play it differently, but as played, given the dynamic you described and my intuition I would lean towards calling.

Yeah w/r/t drinking it obviously takes me out of my A+ game but there are some games where it’s so close to compulsory to maintain the atmosphere that I wouldn’t be able to justify not doing it.

I don’t rely on poker for my income nor do I consider myself anywhere close to a professional; the short-term EV I sacrifice from drinking I make up for with the life EV of getting invited to play more exciting games.

That's fair.

But I also think it's quite easy to convince yourself of it being ok when it's actually not.

This is way off base, esp if one possesses any self control whatsoever. Hint: you don't have to get drunk.

This cannot be overstated. An underrated, yet insanely important facet of live poker. It's all about making them have fun while (hopefully) losing money.

agree with everyone else, the 3bet at flop its really rare.

and he bets again in the turn, when he call a 3bet at flop, idk you are loosing completly here.

You call ?

Very interesting spot....AP i think you have to hero. You say villain here is a pro so him overbetting here on the river is so polarized that its Full house or missed draw.

Flop cbet is fine but way too small. I like cbetting this flop to deny equity as well as get value from his float. I think we definitely size up here(65%-75%) on the flop cause he floats so often and size down on good turns 50% PSB.

Flop 3bet I dont agree with either. I think you have a hand thats a decent bluffcatcher plus alot of turncards that retain equity.

And if villain is any good he would not be betting 88-66 on the turn and river because those hands have very decent SD value.

spadez

I don't hate the flop 3b with our hand, but I wouldn't do that size. Go bigger. Calling is a lot more standard, of course.

Oh yeah I probably check flop with range, but I don't think a small sized cbet is awful in a live game.

As played seems like a mandatory call down. You block sets and wheels!

He's bluffy and aggro.

You could try c/raising the flop with the NTFD. If he folds great, if he calls that's ok too. You could lead the turn as you improve or check the turn and see if he is scared enough to check down.

This will all depend on your observations of his tendencies wether to lead the turn or check the turn.

[QUOTE=RichGangi;53648705]Your cbet is fine (tho I'd bet more), ]

Was curious about this. Why only $40 on the flop? Doesn't feel like that will ever get any hand with decent equity to fold, and I don't think you are value betting there, so I think this needs to be closer to $90+.

If we think our opponent doesn't flat 55 or 22 preflop, then we should be betting close to range, and A5 is fine to put in a small sizing portion if we do split it.

If we think our opponent has 55 or lower then we should be checking range.