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Old 09-24-2017, 12:21 PM   #1
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could i have lost less? 5-10NL hand

5-10 NL my stack 3300

hero in small blind with A♥️A♣️
mid position opens to $35 folds to me i 3 bet to $120
villain in big blind (has me covered- not much info on him as i just sat) 4 bets to $375 folds to me and i decide to flat assuming 5 bet will often make villain fold.
flop comes A♠️ and two cards both diamonds cant remember which ones maybe like 9♦️5♦️. i check villain bets $250 i flat. turn 10♦️ i check villain bets about $500 i shove all in thinkin he is on flush draw. he calls with A♦️Q♦️. river brick.

sorry in advance for any missing info etc... new to this.
my thoughts are i was def gonna lose money on this so long as i flat pre flop. question is could i have lost less or is this just a cooler thanks in advance!!!
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Old 09-24-2017, 04:29 PM   #2
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Re: could i have lost less? 5-10NL hand

What does your four bet flatting range look like with this SPR?
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Old 09-24-2017, 04:49 PM   #3
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Re: could i have lost less? 5-10NL hand

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What does your four bet flatting range look like with this SPR?
JJ-AA possibly AK depending on opponent.
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Old 09-26-2017, 02:57 PM   #4
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Re: could i have lost less? 5-10NL hand

Calling the 4b is fine but deep OOP I'd prefer 5betting.

Axx flop is tricky with AA as cold 4b caller OOP. I don't think sane people multi-barrel this texture, like even combo draws check back turn against your likely AQs/AK type range. And AQs/AJs/A5s type bluffs will check back turn always as well. And he doesn't have KQ for obvious blockers to bluff with.. maybe a bit KQs I guess, but the positions are early and sizing is huge, so not too much KQs I think.

So if that's true, you just wanna minraise flop for value in case he has a piece.


GTO-ish wise it comes down a lot to the exact ranges. But if what you posted is true, that your range is JJ+/AK with maybe 50% on AKo/AA (and I don't see how you could have a much wider range than that, some AQs maybe, some 76s maybe, but it's hard, I'd rather 5b more than call personally), you are very defined on the flop, and prefer to fast-play.

Like say you defend flop with call only, it's gonna be AK/AA and a tiny bit KKd/QQd/JJd. He knows that, so he can barrel extremely accurately. Which is awesome EV for him. Which means you rather raise flop with that entire defense range - he still knows what you have, but there's less he can do about it. Like say you jam flop with that range.. he can't do anything but call AK+ only. (You raise non-allin though)



Turn as played, you can value raise against AfKx, which are 3 combos, and you are dead against AKf, AQf, some other ATf/A5f (f means flush color, I know you posted Tf/5f on board but you said you don't remember), which are also around 3 combos. I don't think you should raise turn then. Just call and hope he has something crazy that keeps bluffing.

Also notice on the turn:
He can't have any ATs/A9s/A5s 2pairs. They are 0 combos.
He can't have a FD. Because he doesn't cold 4b KQo or any offsuit hand. (Except he might turn KK into a bluff but who does that.. in that case he jams river anyway)
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Old 10-01-2017, 08:53 PM   #5
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Re: could i have lost less? 5-10NL hand

By calling the 4bet, you can't do much but to go broke in this particular case.

If you want to lose less on the long-term, there's one option .... 5bet. You might win less as well.

Personally, I only flat aces against people who tend to go out of line. If I don't have history with the villain, i'm 5bet jamming. Also, I don't like flatting OOP too much.
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Old 10-02-2017, 01:56 PM   #6
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Re: could i have lost less? 5-10NL hand

I'm happy to flat IP but not OOP. You should be 5betting a range of {QQ+, AK} here. Just a small 5bet like $780 should do the trick, given you're $3300 deep. Then look to bet about 25% pot on most flops ($400 into $1600), check your entire range OTT and go from there.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:46 AM   #7
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Re: could i have lost less? 5-10NL hand

Not going to read it, if you're not going to format it.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:09 AM   #8
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sorry in advance for any missing info etc... new to this.
Sorry, if I'd read this I probably wouldn't have said anything, but reading these things with no formatting is the pits.
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Old Yesterday, 10:06 AM   #9
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Re: could i have lost less? 5-10NL hand

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5-10 NL my stack 3300

hero in small blind with A♥️A♣️
mid position opens to $35 folds to me i 3 bet to $120
villain in big blind (has me covered- not much info on him as i just sat) 4 bets to $375 folds to me and i decide to flat assuming 5 bet will often make villain fold.
Sorry for the outcome of the hand. The only major objection I have with you is the flat call his 4-bet of $375. Why no shove and take down $410 what's in the middle right now? - Is that not enough? - There's nothing you can do to prevent fish from drawing. This is my experience here in Vegas. So, protecting a hand against a draw is useless because if they feel they like to draw they will call.

I also play the 5-10 and the most this game has 2-3 thinking competent players. All the rest are donkeys that love to limp pre and draw or pay you off on the turn with their TP for half or more stacks. But limping, calling and drawing are the main features of the game.
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