Thanks to dan for putting forward this piece of info by the way

And i dont want to have to do to him. BUT when were you told this info? As an ex-mod of 2p2 do you feel you should have alerted the high stakes community of this fact (even anonomously)?

And on a topic i take very seriously (to an unprecented level), confidentiality between friends and the related principles of trust and loyalty. If the authorities had a history of taking these issues seriously, would you have told them?

(Not trying to flame blitzforce, just highlighting related philosophical q's. I'm personally interested in the psychology of criminals and josh's post is interesting wrt that. However, if a sociopath can hack 'friends'' computers, another sociopath can type out a long post pretending to be josh)

lol gg you dumb ****, its super obvious to everyone involved josh is guilty despite not having direct evidence. This coupled with the bigguylegend story and the andrew feldman story makes it clear beyond a reasonable doubt, mainly due to a process of elimination there was literally no one else it could be but Josh. The defense that you are too good at poker to make it obvious isn't going to fly because you are god awful at poker and vs. some of the best HUNL specialist in the world your ****ty play becomes obvious you are cheating.

just wanted to add that josh tyler was brought to my apartment by a buddy of mine a couple of years ago, when the ept was in my hometown. he was "just" coming by for some quick fifa matches iirc. i dont remember exact timeframes but im also pretty sure i got superused for like 100k on eurosites a couple years ago.
if that has anything to do with josh (seems highly likely now) or not, at the very least i can say that he acted pretty douchy and i was glad when he left. and i get along with most people pretty good usually

Update:

A few days following this thread, Joshua Tyler showed up at my home in Las Vegas. He contacted me zero times following my post, and instead opted to show up at my house with 2 of his buddies in an SUV. I was not in Las Vegas, as I was traveling for a friends wedding. He knocks on the door, and my roommate answers the door. He says "You know why I'm here, wheres Doug?", to which my roommate responds with "He isn't in Las Vegas right now." He tells him to call me immediately.

I look down at my phone and see my roommate calling me. I answer and hear the response "Here's Josh". Josh then gets on the phone and opens the conversation with a sarcastic "Hey buddy". He then proceeds to tell me how this is absolutely ruining his life, and talks to me for the next 5 minutes about his side of the story (which is outlined in his post in the thread. I tell him that I cannot do anything for him at the moment, but will give him a call the following day regarding my decision on how we should continue.

Over the course of the next day I discussed the situation with some of my close friends. I decided that should Josh be innocent (in my estimation, that was unlikely, however not impossible), I should give him the opportunity to fix the situation. I then called him the following day. I said that I was wiling to work with him on this issue, as long as he would agree to two terms. The first term was that he needed to agree to not show up at my property without my permission again. The second term was that I needed him to be willing to provide me with documentation and information that I would deem necessary to prove his innocence. I asked I'm do you consent to these terms, He said yes. I told him that in exchange I would edit the title to show he is working with me, make a clarifying post within the thread, and call out some of the direct attacks on him that were unsubstantiated. We got off the call, and I felt that we were making some small steps in a positive direction.

I had a flight directly following our conversation. Once I had landed, I received a very lengthy text from Josh. The cliffs of the text were in essence "I do not agree to those terms anymore, unless you remove the post immediately, as it is already doing too much damage." and "If you do not take this down, as you have ruined my life I will make it my mission to ruin yours, and that's a promise". Since then we have had a few texts back and forth, but nothing substantial and his position is that he will not prove his innocence as I have already done far too much damage to his image.

In light of recent events (Michael Drummond, Blitz, etc), it seems increasingly likely that Joshua is responsible for these hackings. I further encourage the community to band together to shed additional information on Josh, and to further this information to those in relation to him.

if showing up in a SUV with your 2 boneheaded mates isn't a sign of guilt then i dont know what is

looking forward to the motion picture.

gl dug

Looks like pretty strong evidence to me

The account could very easily not be in his name, if he's a scumbag I'm sure he knows plenty of other scumbags who may not even be involved in the poker world or know anything about it but gladly set up an account for him for a few k

Okay so I just deleted a ton more crap.

Very simply:

1. If you aren't part of the HSNL community, please stop posting. Noone wants to hear your opinions or read your one liners.

2. Stop posting crap about prosecution. There is no chance this is every investigated or prosecuted. Stop cluttering the thread with that junk. Read FWF's posts in this thread if you disagree.

3. Stop posting crap about proving anything by getting ISP records, etc. No ISP on earth is going to provide records to some random person investigating something like this. And if you think the police are gonna request it, see #2.

4. I removed all discussion of guns, since it clearly was going to derail this thread.

Why on earth was my post deleted???? i just gave the forum info regarding Josh and his "innocent" travels to a poker players house i know, even though Josh had never meet him or spoke to him! i feel this info is very important as im sure Josh has made lots of visits like this and the more info we can gather the better!

FWIW: i do play HS but do not post here obv. thanks

I undeleted it. Sorry, just got caught up in the massive deletion of unrelated junk.

fair enough

also heard something else myself, but other party told me not to give details (just yet). If he didn't do it I guess it must have been the tooth fairy -.-

Seriously? 'Hey guys I heard something shady about jungleman, but I'm not allowed to give any details just yet.'


lol

Wow..Klink ur obv referring to Jungle not Blitz?

Believe this was directed at Josh

yes 100% seriously. Oh, Im sorry i cant satisfy the curiosity of the 2+2 nerds at the expense of betraying the trust of my friend in addition to costing him something. There is good reason not to post at this very second but it will come out shortly

This thread reminded me of the Darren Woods cheating thread in HSNL (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...ammer-1097739/), so I decided to reread the thread.

I noticed a bunch of similiarities in their posts "defending themselves";

- Neither person directly declares their innocense, its weird to me that in so large text neither player directly says; "All these allegations are false" or something similar
- They both use the fact that they are too good to cheat in such a poor manner. "If I would have cheated it would not have been in such a obvious manner".
- Both of them decline the chance to clear their name by being 100% transparent, (Darren Woods was offered to send full hand history for analysis with 3rd party and turned it down. Joshua was offered a deal from WCG to clear his name)
- They both appeal to emotion that they are being prosecuted and analogies to witch-hunting

I didnt spend too much time to analyze, but my impression was that they came off very similiar so thought Id share.

jungleman needs a pr manager. seriously

i think the point was why make that post now at all instead of just saving it all until you can divulge the info

Absolutely fine imo, give the guy a break. He was somewhat involved in the situation and until now hadn't expressed an opinion as to whether he thinks Josh is def guilty or not afaik. Now he has info to say he is, completely fine to tell people that even if he can't divulge the details yet.

In your example if someone knew something shady about jungle but couldn't divulge the details then it would absolutely be better to say so than to wait given that in the mean time jungle could be scamming people left, right and centre while you wait for all the info to make a complete post whereas if you post that, people would be wary of him.

giving another point that there's *nail in the coffin* type evidence basically

Nerds

That's kinda hurtful

We can't all be the cool high school QB that always gets the girl

No need to rub our faces in it....no nneeed

Point is, this thread is already a coffin without any more damaging info. Your post above is just dramatic. Anyway, /derail. If you have more good info, look forward to you (or whoever) posting it.

Pretty sick, glad you got your money back Doug.

Find it pretty surprising they refunded the money yet didn't refund anything to the guys who were cheated by the Swedish accounts and that received much more publicity.