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Old 12-26-2013, 12:58 AM   #1
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5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

live game 5/10, mix of whales/regs/pros.
villain and I have the deepest stack on the table. Villain is tricky, likes to angle shoot, likes to have control of the table. Yesterday I made a call thinking he only had 200 behind when he in fact has a 10k chip in his stack. He is a foreigner (singaporean i think). His strategy is buying in for short stack until he doubles/triples up. After creating that maniac image, he then reloads for max buy in to take advantage of that.

He knows he has shown bluffs on multiple occasions and that I am aware of this.

Villain has been raising limped pots on his button, so I thought Id take a chance with AA. Villain has position in the hand. Faced tough flop, turn, river decisions. Advice would be much appreciated.

Starting Stack
Villain (BTN)Around 10k
Hero (Hijack) have around 8k to start.

Preflop: Hero limps with AA. Villain raises to $50, 3 callers, I re-raise to $210. Villain calls, everyone else folds. ($470 in the pot)

At this point, my limp reraising range is pretty narrow whereas his raise calling range can be anything. On a previous session, he called a 3x with 83 and shoved the turn when his flush hit and was paid off. I expect him to put me on AK QQ KK AA

Flop: QJT Hero bets out $320, villain calls.
there are flush draws and straights on board. I dont think he floats with pure air so I put him on any broadway with Kx at this point or a flush draw is also a possibility. I chose to lead out rather than check raise but I think check raising might narrow his holdings more here when I'm not folding for one bet here.

Turn ($1130) : 8 Completes a possible straight. Hero checks, villain checks back as well. I expected him to fire this turn with flush draws but at the same time I don think he expects me to fold to just one bet, so maybe he checks back for the free river card. If I lead out and he flats, I have created a big pot with only a bluff catcher. So that's my reasoning for checking back the turn.

River ($1130): A gives me a set but now the most likely straight has gotten there. Flush has missed. Hero checks, villain shoves 8k. So far I think my hand is pretty much face up here to set of QQ, JJ, TT, or AA and villain can play perfectly. I was never calling a shove for my entire stack on this board and the A on the river made the decision a no brainer but would like to know if I could have played this hand differently.
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:29 AM   #2
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

Don't limp raise pre super deep. It's even worse when villain knows your range.
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Old 12-26-2013, 03:13 AM   #3
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

Don't really see any problems with your line post-flop...
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:16 AM   #4
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

wow, i hope you are very wealthy
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Old 12-26-2013, 12:39 PM   #5
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

Definitely fold river for 10X pot overbet...

Flop bet is fine, but I'm not sure about turn check. I mean, I know "small hand small pot", but the board is soaking wet, so checking just lets villain(s) draw for free against our strong holding. I probably b/f on the turn instead of checking.

Also, I don't like the LRR pre flop. Since you (or most players) would basically only do this with AA or KK, it really gives away too much info to be worth the extra $ is gets into the pot. It also runs the risk of villain(s) just limping in behind you, and then you get to play a multi-player small pot OOP: not really the result you're aiming for with AA. So, just raise PF LDO
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:08 PM   #6
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It is a good spot for villan to over bet bluff, because out hand is face up. Maybe we can fold and take the same line with KQ etc aka check the nuts on the river another time.

I would probably say it's not worth it to call.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:12 PM   #7
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

Super easy fold, our range up to the river has many Kx, i would check Kx decent % of the time OTR, it is not that uncommon to have K and check River in your place, so overbetting would be pure spew (bluffing standard amount is typical and not that rare in this spot), i guess villian is not that dumb to bluff that much. There is simply no need to bet so big, overbet of 2X would do the job of making fold non str8 hands, so for me villian is 99% value betting just hoping for our 1 % spazz call (i guess everyone can remember when we hit nuts in limped pot OTR and shove river just for those couple % of spazz calls, that actually occur from time to time). And of course the fact that we have top set in the hand is irrelevant.
p.s. preflop play imo is bad but flop and turn look well.
TS please don't say you made a call ? )
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:55 PM   #8
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

Easiest fold ever.. Can't believe this is the most interesting hand you played in a game like this?
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:16 PM   #9
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

If you're going to limp raise over an open and 3 callers this deep, it needs to be a lot bigger.
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Old 12-31-2013, 06:22 AM   #10
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

LRR can be part of a good balanced strategy - not sure why everyone hates it. Depending on table dynamics, we can turn 78s or small pairs into PF steals. The problem is the sizing: a loose table captain isn't going to fold to your RR when you're both deep, he has position, and the amount is less than pot-sized. After 3 players call the $50, a PSB is $300 -- reraising to $210 is absurdly low.

LRR would be especially good if the callers were short stacked and prone to shoving. If most of them had, say, $500, then you could RR to $275, and the table captain would have to fear the door being opened by a shove behind him.
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Old 12-31-2013, 06:25 AM   #11
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

desperately need to raise pre this deep
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:10 PM   #12
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

Lol at guys river bet.

Also as stated don't like pre, as played I'd make it like 350+ pre.

I'd bet/fold turn.

River check/fold.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:10 PM   #13
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

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live game 5/10, mix of whales/regs/pros.
villain and I have the deepest stack on the table. Villain is tricky, likes to angle shoot, likes to have control of the table. Yesterday I made a call thinking he only had 200 behind when he in fact has a 10k chip in his stack. He is a foreigner (singaporean i think). His strategy is buying in for short stack until he doubles/triples up. After creating that maniac image, he then reloads for max buy in to take advantage of that.

He knows he has shown bluffs on multiple occasions and that I am aware of this.

Villain has been raising limped pots on his button, so I thought Id take a chance with AA. Villain has position in the hand. Faced tough flop, turn, river decisions. Advice would be much appreciated.

Starting Stack
Villain (BTN)Around 10k
Hero (Hijack) have around 8k to start.

Preflop: Hero limps with AA. Villain raises to $50, 3 callers, I re-raise to $210. Villain calls, everyone else folds. ($470 in the pot)

At this point, my limp reraising range is pretty narrow whereas his raise calling range can be anything. On a previous session, he called a 3x with 83 and shoved the turn when his flush hit and was paid off. I expect him to put me on AK QQ KK AA

Flop: QJT Hero bets out $320, villain calls.
there are flush draws and straights on board. I dont think he floats with pure air so I put him on any broadway with Kx at this point or a flush draw is also a possibility. I chose to lead out rather than check raise but I think check raising might narrow his holdings more here when I'm not folding for one bet here.

Turn ($1130) : 8 Completes a possible straight. Hero checks, villain checks back as well. I expected him to fire this turn with flush draws but at the same time I don think he expects me to fold to just one bet, so maybe he checks back for the free river card. If I lead out and he flats, I have created a big pot with only a bluff catcher. So that's my reasoning for checking back the turn.

River ($1130): A gives me a set but now the most likely straight has gotten there. Flush has missed. Hero checks, villain shoves 8k. So far I think my hand is pretty much face up here to set of QQ, JJ, TT, or AA and villain can play perfectly. I was never calling a shove for my entire stack on this board and the A on the river made the decision a no brainer but would like to know if I could have played this hand differently.
Pre: Good read pre-flop, built a nice pot. Gotta estimate what percentage of hands he's playing in this spot. Ill guess and say 30-40% here.

Flop: Check/Call. Too draw heavy. A lot of his range hits that given he called your limp/reraise when you already know he has a general idea of what hands youre doing this with. Definitely broadways all day, and TT-QQ.

Turn: Standard Check

River: Check/Fold
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:16 PM   #14
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

super easy fold ,imo. you played the hand allright,too.

never ever anybody overbet bluff there so big in any live game.
also you said he knows what's he doing and take advantage of his crazy image. just fold !
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:46 AM   #15
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

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Don't limp raise pre super deep. It's even worse when villain knows your range.
This. Even if villain is guaranteed to raise your limp, by limp re-raising, you are defining your hand too strongly. I would rather limp/call, but first preference is to raise first time LDO.
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:05 AM   #16
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Re: 5k deep 5/10 AA vs river shove

Just a horrible flop for AA.
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