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09-19-2018 , 09:07 PM

apricotjello

adept

Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 852

Bovada 500 zone, anonymous players. no reads on either player.
PT4 shows that I'm pretty bad when I see rivers multi-way, looking for more general advice in addition to this hand.

Turn & river seem like the biggest decision points; usually I don't really like raising flop here CO vs BTN but with BB and I so deep I think it's better.

CO $780
Hero (BTN) $1900
BB $2200

Blinds $2.50/$5.00
CO opens to $17.50
I call with 6

BB calls

Flop $55: K

BB checks
CO bets $44
I raise to $113
BB calls
CO calls

Turn $394: K

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BB checks
CO bets $220
I call
BB calls

River $1054: K

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BB checks
CO checks
Hero?

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09-19-2018 , 09:22 PM

PunnyYouSayThat

Tattoo Commissioner

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,097

Value bet is a must imo. KK/JJ doesn't check the river a lot here and if he crai, then you can fold, but you have to get value from AK in this spot. I'd size it on the smaller side.

Last edited by PunnyYouSayThat; 09-19-2018 at 09:27 PM.

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09-19-2018 , 10:33 PM

Pots-For-Sale

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,861

“Jamming” is def too thin. If deep stack spots like this make you question hands like this maybe you shouldn’t play so deep in these the highest stake zone games on the site with no reads. Esp if your database is telling you you’re having trouble on rivers multiway or otherwise.

Value bet here is a must but jamming seems a bit absurd and you’re very easy to play against by jamming river.

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09-20-2018 , 04:34 AM

TheGodson

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 3,056

I'd jam. If BB has 44 he may call. If he has 53s, which will show up less often than 44, so be it. BB should not have KK or JJ since he'd likely squeeze preflop. If CO player has KK or JJ he has you beat, but he can also have KJ and might call since he has less than a 1/2 pot bet behind. He can even have 44 too.

You can never bet/fold here imo. Your hand is just too good.

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09-20-2018 , 08:59 AM

hyperknit

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 2,692

I like to bet about 600

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09-22-2018 , 01:43 AM

VincentVega

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,617

Yea, 500 sounds about right. CO who you might have to worry about anyway, I'd bet enough to put him all in. If BB moves in I'd be very concerned which is what I'm guessing happened. This is never a check wtf?

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09-25-2018 , 11:38 AM

DannyAIC

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 270

Theres a lot of Axd out there along with 44, KJ etc. You have to get value here. KK is likely only in CO's range and they have smaller stack anyway. So JJ is more what you should be "worried about". If I had to guess however, it's more likely CO has KJ rather than KK or JJ. Why check the river when it's your last street to get value with the second nuts? If the BB shoves, then I'd be a little iffy, but my best guess is BB has 44 just looking at the way it was played. If he has a super sketchy 53s or something, then....whatever. Go to the bathroom and throw up haha. But YOU have to bet at least 600 here.

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09-29-2018 , 02:35 PM

Living Abortion

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 307

how is this a "thin" spot?

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09-30-2018 , 09:55 PM

apricotjello

adept

Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 852

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Originally Posted by Living Abortion

how is this a "thin" spot?

meant in terms of sizing. i agree that bet is mandatory and it’s what I did at the time, but I’m still unsure in multi-way spots if i should have multiple sizings OTR and/or what they should be

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10-04-2018 , 10:04 PM

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Zajebisty

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 946

Bet half pot, especially closing the action. 2 pair is going to think you're bluffing a lot of the time. Obv 44 calls. If you were to bet pot i think a large number of tbose hands fold.

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10-09-2018 , 05:16 PM

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dannyboy6292

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 262

Bet 50-80% of pot depending on the players. Occasionally I overbet in this spot to stay balanced. You may get an AK call, 4's call and the way the hand played out J's are not in the picture. ( if your raise was called out of position with Jacks and there's a king on board please invite me to this game)

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10-11-2018 , 07:52 AM

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djevans

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 5,045

Don't jam river - nothing you beat is gonna call unless they are tilted or really bad.

I'd bet something silly - like $200 - $500

After they check river it's unlikely they have much and it's very likely it's 1 person has a flush draw, and one of them have top pair or QT.

Targeting that range is imo is a $200~ bet.

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