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Old 09-07-2017, 10:08 PM   #1
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$500nl hand interesting river spot.

iPoker - $5 NL - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $541.50
BB: $492.50 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

Hero posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has T K

Hero raises to $12.50, BB raises to $37.50, Hero calls $25.00

Flop: ($75.00, 2 players) 3 9 7
BB bets $37.50, Hero calls $37.50

Turn: ($150.00, 2 players) A
BB bets $90.00, Hero calls $90.00

River: ($330.00, 2 players) K
BB bets $327.50, Hero calls $327.50
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:11 PM   #2
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

I'm a nlhe donk but I'll gii otf
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:01 PM   #3
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

I like c/r the flop as you have backdoor draws that you can barrel and non A high equity for call downs. I'd probably mix c/c and c/r because of the backdoor equity and K over card.

As played the turn seems like a bad call. Your king outs aren't clean anymore and 27% equity to call. I doubt bluffing wthe turn would be good as the range advantage favors your opponent. You also block some bluffing candidates with clubs and the T.

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Old 09-09-2017, 11:46 AM   #4
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

agree, equity gone after turn, get out there
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Old 09-09-2017, 12:57 PM   #5
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

I wouldn't fold the turn, we have sdv. I'm certainly folding river though blocking lots of fds.
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Old 09-11-2017, 01:36 PM   #6
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

It's a fold imo. The K on the river really is irrelevant because you mostlikely only beat non-paired hand.
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:06 PM   #7
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

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I like c/r the flop as you have backdoor draws that you can barrel and non A high equity for call downs. I'd probably mix c/c and c/r because of the backdoor equity and K over card.
Hero is IP. Does that change your thoughts?
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Old 09-11-2017, 05:06 PM   #8
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Hero is IP. Does that change your thoughts?
Read the preflop action and didn't pay attention to positions just betting sequence.

Yes would tend to flat more IP as we can more easily play later streets.

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Old 09-16-2017, 03:59 PM   #9
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

Dude, your check raising flop a high percentage of the time and definitely folding river.

The way you played it leading turn for 50-60% pot is a decent play because if he has air he's done at that point due to the fact that YOU could be holding the A high club draw if he doe's not. Another reason is because if he's running a play on you he will most definitely put more pressure on your hand when the A peels on the turn. When your playing HeadUp you have to find ways to win pots before showdown and check calling three streets and stacking off with second pair on the river is not one of them.

GL next time.
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Old 09-16-2017, 06:27 PM   #10
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

I like the call and as played, everything seems solid to me.

By "like" the call, I mean that I think it's one necessary for a solid heads up strategy in order to avoid being run over.

With your open-raise size and pre-flop calling distribution, Kx is definitely up there by the river, though it's a bit interesting that you might prefer 9x simply to block 99. Also, having the T is less than ideal because it blocks some of your opponent's potential barreling range.

Card removal effects mentioned, they're small effects with this spot and don't change a ton about the river decision. This is also earlier in a heads up match at MSNL where loads of players tend to be bluff happy. I'd say you're VERY slightly winning by making the call, and at the very least, you're avoiding having your opponent run you over since your entire river calling range shouldn't be Ax+ (How's that going to be 50% of your range?)
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:11 AM   #11
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

Raising flop is fairly non-standard. You can do it but call is absolute standard, and I'd need a pretty good reason to raise flop here. Turn call super standard.

I think you float 1/2 flop with tons of Ax, so you don't need to call river here with too many <Ax hands. For blockers, the T is not great. Probably better to hero call some Q 9 type hand. So just fold river without a good reason.

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Old 09-20-2017, 11:13 AM   #12
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

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since your entire river calling range shouldn't be Ax+ (How's that going to be 50% of your range?)
Since we have a lot of non-sdv busted draws on the river, we can fold a bit over 50% here to pot size
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:27 AM   #13
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

In my solve
- river fold% to exactly pot size is 52%
- KcTc is an around -1bb river call
- Qh9h is an around +1.5bb river call
- out of 92 call combos, 24 are <Ax, most weight is on Q9/Q7 (I have Q9o in pre range as it's a tiny 3b)
- worst hand that's a +EV river call is QcJc
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Old 10-09-2017, 12:13 PM   #14
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

Forgot about this thread but as seen I did make call he turned over
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The way he insta-snap jammed river also felt to be bit bluffy in my mind compared to his other timing in previous streets/hands.
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:22 PM   #15
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

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In my solve

- worst hand that's a +EV river call is QcJc
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it's profitable to always call QcJc?
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:03 PM   #16
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it's profitable to always call QcJc?
I didn't save the solve. But it technically beats all bluffs, doesn't block the low card straight draw bluffs, and blocks some AQ/AJ, so seems reasonable.

Practically you probably can't call that as it won't beat all bluffs I imagine
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:10 AM   #17
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

Thank you.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:09 PM   #18
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

Why did you call flop? I would of probably raised - You have 1 over which are most likely good against over pairs and a flush draw.

Also you take control of the hand.

As played it's tough - we are playing guessing games against his range.

We beat 86 / 8T / smaller flush draws, and hands like 9T which decided to spew.

We block 8T though but still not a huge deal.

Can't hate a call but I mean it's your 3rd hand. I guess you can get a read on his 3betting lol
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:04 AM   #19
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

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Old 10-14-2017, 11:11 AM   #20
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Re: $500nl hand interesting river spot.

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Forgot about this thread but as seen I did make call he turned over
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The way he insta-snap jammed river also felt to be bit bluffy in my mind compared to his other timing in previous streets/hands.
it was your 3rd hand against him...
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