Hello all, decided to shift the 5/5 posts into this section of the forum and thank you in advance for reading.

V1 and V2 background: V1 is a regular crusher and full-time grinder. Definitely understands how to navigate post-flop and squeeze profitable spots, ex:
V1 on the button, facing a different rec player's open to 30 (standard open in this game) from EP, 3 callers, and squeezes to 180 with KQo and they go HU to K23r. Check, check to a Q turn. Check, check turn to a 9 river. Checks to V1 and he bombs for 420 and gets looked up from what I believe is TT.

Aside: V1 and I definitely recognize each other as adequate opponents and haven't been involved in many hands between each other.

V2: Your average rec player who is donking into PFR multi-way with draws and mediocre hands, bet-sizing is atrocious, etc. Old guy, definite spazz.

OTTH:

Effective stacks: 1000

V1 opens from EP to 20, and V2 (SB) and myself (BB) flat. I have 77

Flop:

TT8

Pot: 60.

V1 cbets for 20 and both V2 and I call. Pretty much standard, 1/3 PSB on a draw-heavy board should give merit for a flat and evaluate on the turn.

Turn:

TT87

Pot: 120

The best card in the deck and then V2 donks for 70. I reraise to 220 and get a snap call from V2. I don't think I should be slowplaying these hands, especially against V2. One could rationalize to let V1 catch up but I honestly don't think if he rivers NFD he will call given a large river bet from either myself or V2. That being said, V2 snaps.

River: J

Pot: 660

V2 snap jams for ~800, covering me.

What do. Should I have reraised turn? Should I have even flatted flop? Thoughts?

V1 folded on the turn*

Call. Next hand.

Yeah river is a pretty simple call

but i’m not 100% on calling flop; as bad as it feels to fold we’re not really even drawing to clean outs often. it does make for a nice bluff combo on other runouts so I think there’s some merit to continuing, but we aren’t ahead that often after SB calls first

U didn’t think about squeezing pre? do u always set mine with mid pairs out of BB? What would be your squeezing range in this spot?
Is he the type that will stack off with As9x, QX9s,10x9x.
I don’t see combos of Jacks or 8’s flatting pre, combos of 10xJs might donk lead turn but won’t open shove rivers.
Looks like a turned flush to me, spazzy old men tend to see a safe river before committing. Since the board didn’t DP and no more spades he went with it. I would happily call in this spot 😃

I don't think flop call is standard, I rather call QJ type hands.

As played river is a call. He will have plenty of worse hands imo

I think you have to call. Don't make a habit of folding hands this strong on boards where a number of stronger-than-usual hands are clearly possible (many of which you beat), especially against a rec player. V2 could even be bluffing, don't forget that.

That said you will see JT here a good amount of the time. V2's line is more congruent with a rivered boat than it is a flush in my opinion. I think its a quite unhappy call. I could see myself tanking for 5 minutes before calling here...

Flop is a clear fold.

You're more likely to hit a set than a straight or a flush. And you either hit or you don't. You're not chasing like you do when the flop gives you a draw.

You guys are telling me that facing a 1/3PSB multiway on a 2-tone paired board you won't put 20 in to win 100? Especially since I don't block 7x suited combos with spades? This is ludacris. Pio recommends to bet your entire range on paired boards HU, and the pro is well aware of this. Obviously since the SB called I should be worried but he could very well have spades or 22-66.

88 is a flat pre 100% of the time from the SB, rec player. The notion to squeeze with middling pocket pairs also doesn't make sense because it is more profitable to play these hands multi-way, as opposed to playing HU. Why would I want to flop a set HU when I can multi-way and get more value from other made hands: 1 pair, 2pair, etc.

1) you think the notion of folding flop is “ludacris”

2) you think sb never 3 bets 88

do you see why these two thoughts are incongruous?

in short, sb calling range is solidly ahead of 77 on the flop imo. don’t base your analysis of 3 way btn sb bb spot on analysis of PIO heads up. they are not comparable at all

You make valid points ^

Villain had JT

1) By never squeezing here, u open up yourself to too many mistakes PF which clearly u made calling the bet with no plans. (what turn cards outside of a 7 were u gonna continue with?)
2) how is picking up dead money not profitable and at what frequency r u gonna cooler someone? I can see it 5 or 6 handed, but 3 handed Vs a Pro in position?
However, I do agree with u on SB range sometimes u gonna see J10 but I don’t see a fold here.

Tough spot. He'd have to be a total spazz or have a poor understanding of hand values for this to be a call. Why would he donk bet all in with less than a full house after you raised him on the turn? Bluffs don't really make sense either and As Xx seem like the only possible hands he could be bluffing with.

Easy flop fold. You may be looking at reverse implied odds instead of implied odds, you're oop, tons of hands you're ahead of have decent equity vs you, getting to showdown without putting anymore money in is gonna be tough and putting more money in the pot is gonna be seriously questionable/thin. The occasional flop c/r is probably better than calling.

Yeah calling flop is not std, i might call with backdoor spades but 3-way this should mostly be folding

Also

1) PIO never cbets full range on any flop
2) even if the pro is aware of this, this doesnt imply he does this HU
3) we are NOT HU so if the pro is using a HU strat full range cbet strat that doesnt exist in PIO for 3-way pots then lol to him
4) there is a fish in the pot so using a HU strat and a full range cbet for a 3-way pot with that fish in there is lol (hopefully the pro “knows this”)

Only thing that is “ludacris” is saying that folding flop is ludicrous, and not sigh snapping vs the river jam and instead posting it on 2+2. BBV >>>>>>>

Results:

V had JT


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River is a call
No need to post the result, we know u lost the hand.

Like others have said fold flop

If you mean exactly 100% if range then sure, PIO will never say that, but it will bet like 99.6% on some boards.
If it was solved to 100% accuracy it would most likely bet 100%.

Just like how once in a while PIO will bet 95% range OTF, you force it to bet 100% and the EV from range bet comes out slightly higher than the original solution.

This doesn’t make any sense but it happens.

The <2% frequency stuff is just noise, so on the boards PIO says bet 98%, its really betting 100%. It’s Not saying you’re exploitable if you don’t check 2%.