Playing 5/10NL uncapped with mandatory straddled. Heroes first time trying 5/10 - normally a 2/5 player. I am effective stacks with about $1900

Villian seems like a full time good pro. Capable of good bluffs. Bought in for 1.5k and has ran it up to about 12k in 8 hours.

Hero is dealt 87d on the button and calls villians $60 raise in the CO
(standard raise at this table with a limper).

Flop. 4c5c8h ($155)
Villian checks. Hero leads outs $95.
A pretty good flop for me. top pair and a gutshot straight draw.
Villian calls.
Turn: 6s ($345)
Villian leads out for $170. Given position I probably should have just flatted here but I decided to raise it on up. Hero tosses in raise to $650.
Villian calls.
River: 8c ($1645)

So pretty much this and 6c are the worst cards I could see on the river. Any flush draw and any set got there and I'm sure villain realizes i don't like this card.

Villian hesitates for a minute then slides out $1200. effectively putting me all in.

Interested in comments for river and turn play.
Are there any merits in flatting turn? In hindsight this allows villain to barrel river on blanks and might make us the most money. As played I think this is perfect card for villian to bluff if he called with 2pair, an overpair (especially something like pocket 9s, although only 1 combo of 89 left). I could also still be beating a few odd hands like Ac8s but the check/call flop and lead turn line would make zero sense there.

Tough spot he reps very thin. I would say 66 makes a lot of sense. 77 with the 7c makes sense. I do think he could have Some AXcc type hands. And some weirdly played AcX type hands (which I heavily discount)

I think overall you played the hand well, I think he played it well also I don't think you have many Flushes or sets given your turn raise (I don't know how you play but I would assume most 2/5 regs call with that).

As played I fold river, just too few bluffs in his range.

Fold river. He isnt going to show up with many bluffs on that card. What hands would he bet/call turn and bluff this river? Really doesnt make sense. Kind of interesting to think about what villain should be doing on this river given the turn action. I think he should be checking...

As for turn I think you should be flatting. You don't have many straights in your turn range besides 87s and 67s, maybe A7s, all which might 3bet preflop at some frequency (more frequent with the 67s). If you raise your straights here then I think your flatting range becomes really vulnerable. Think about your preflop flatting range vs CO open... it is a lot of hands... The very few 7s you have here aren't much in comparison. This should lean you towards protecting your flatting range when you do have the straight. Dont be too worried about the flush coming in on the river... Its not a likely outcome and villain may want to barrel river, thinking you dont have many 7x (and he'd be right).

Bluffs: about any unpaired overcards. Villain is CO. This flop isn't terrible for his range, but it's better for you, so what hands would he check otf?

I would expect a bet from any straight, set, two pair (unlikely), overpairs, given the coordination. Top/ middle pair no kicker should probably bet. I also would expect any non nut flush or combo draw to bet.

To me that leaves nut flush draws and unpaired overcards. Nut flush gets there. Overcards are river bluffs.

Fold - You can't profitably call here. Sure he has bluffs in his range but not many that call that big of a turn raise.

Your turn raise is fine, just river card is unlucky.


I mean you can call here on very few conditions. He has to be a really good thinking player which you say he is.

His turn bet is a little strange with out a straight. It looks like he is trying to get you off a chop. I've done this many times and it's extremely successful. Especially if I know what the other player has.

Example

I had ATss

Flop was A35 one spade
I bet he called
turn 4 goes Check check
River 2
I overbet jam for $700 into $300 pot

He has no choice but to almost fold unless he has a miracle 6 which he almost never has. Even if he thinks we are chopping are you really risking $700 to chop $300?

Really depends on your player but with out being there and looking on paper it seems like a fold.

Villain later claimed to have a 7 but didn't show after I folded. I tend to think he did. He said he was just flatting raise with hopes of a bad river card to get me off a split pot. I tanked for a minute or two thinking this was a great bluff card and villain had been caught bluffing one big hand so far for the night, but given that most of his bluffs here are actually going to be for only a chop pot it really kills my odds for calling but i can include a lot more bluffs in his range.

By the end of the night playing vs this guy I think it should be a call but this game was deeper than I was used to so I might have been playing slightly scared (basically was running 5/10/20 with average stack depth of around 8k). Only played 10 hours or so of it but it seemed much more bluff heavy than 2/5 where the big bluffs are few and far between - at higher stakes should I be include a lot larger % bluffs in peoples ranges?

Depends on the player and the run out. Better players are going to bluff more in spots where they have a range advantage. River is bad for you since you rarely have boats or flushes and he can so this was a pretty good bluff.

Him having a 7 makes sense. He really only needs to be afraid of 7cxc which he may have the 7c.

I followed the hand through before looking at the post where you said he had a 7. I think it’s a call. I can’t think of any had he has better than yours that takes this line. FDs and 97 I think bet the flop. Sets too, and why would they bet turn. So I think you’re looking at A7 quite a bit or air.


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Even if villain has hand like 67s its a great card to bluff on the river he knows for sure you almost always have a straight when you raise the turn and now he can shove to try get off the chop. So i would not raise the turn it pretty much turns our hand face up and even if he has the same straight he has a great bluffing opportunity on a river scare card. Now if we just call the turn we can stil have 2 pairs that filled up, flush draws, etc our value range range is much wider going to the river. But if we raise the turn its like showing him your hand basically. So at least you understand its a mistake. I would never turn my hand face up to a guy you are saying is a pro. They will do stuff like this and put you in a bad spot and he could be bluffing, he could be trying to get off a chop understanding the situation. Now a bad player I am just raising the turn cause they don't know what is going on they will be straight forward on the river with what they have. I tend to always focus on never turning my hand face up vs good player. they will eat you up if you keep doing this especially when they are in position. Some of these guys try to play like tom dwan and rep everything and if you bloat the pot turning your hand face up you should carry a bottle of tylenol cause they going to give you headache by end of the night with all their big river bets. There is not much we can do though way you played it we have to fold the river. Its the worst card for us and the best card for him based on the way the hand played out. And don't think he only has boats here hes shoving flushes too cause when you raise the turn you have a straight here and he knows it.