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Old 03-08-2017, 08:09 PM   #1
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5/10 NL question


I've joined twoplustwo because I want to ask a question to some good players on a hand I played recently in 5/10 NL. This is the hand.

It's a 6 max table. UTG and HJ fold, CO raises to £23.50.
I have Ace Queen off suit, so I 3-bet to £60.00, because I likely have the best hand and because I have position.
Blinds fold and Opponent calls.
Flop comes Jack spades, Ace spades, and 3 hearts.
Opponent checks.
I bet £50 into the £135 pot, because I have top pair queen kicker, I kind of feel my bet here was a little weak, I should probably have gone over half pot.
Opponent calls.
Turn comes 7 hearts.
Opponent checks
I bet £80 into the £235 pot. I definitely feel this is a little weak and I'm likely giving him the right price at around 4 to 1 to call if he has a flush draw. I should have bet around £150 in my opinion.
Opponent calls.
River comes 5 spades.
Opponent leads £300 into the £395 pot.
I do a lot of thinking and use most of my timebank and I make the decision to fold. I am putting him on a flush draw, possibly King Ten of spades which also would have had outs to a straight.

So my question is: am I giving him the right price to call?

Thank you so much for reading this far and any replies are very welcome.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:34 AM   #2
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Re: 5/10 NL question

your def right, the bet sizing is way too small. The philosophy i go by is make your opponent think about his decision, and your sizing was never more than you made him commit preflop so his value just increased tremendously over time. I would think he could have flush or missed straight but not enough because of the bet sizes. I feel like a bigger bet would give you more information bc usually people will pay higher prices for more outs, ie flush draws
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Old 03-09-2017, 01:03 PM   #3
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Re: 5/10 NL question

Hey Spuggie,

River is a fold here.

Main considerations for you are likely: Is AQ a 3bet here, do you 3bet other hands? If you have a crazy image this is a great sitution to 3bet (sizing should be bigger), if you generally like to play passively and like to see flops for cheap then you are potentially overplaying your hand with a nitty image.

Secondly you should be betting bigger post flop, smaller bets can be good in today's games but particularly on turn you should bet more with so many draws and potential turn calling hands in his range...

On the river you should mainly consider how you are perceived by the table. If you are a casual player playing against experts and have a reputation for calling alot, then this hand is a clear fold as the expert will never be trying to exploit you by overbluffing (he will likely just play a strategy of value betting big with his made hands and when his draws come in)

Good luck!
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Old 03-26-2017, 08:01 AM   #4
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Re: 5/10 NL question

Turn bet is a weak and do you have the q of spades? Makes a difference with the ranges.

Wayne "D22-soso" Chiang, Live at the Bike player and commentator
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Old 04-08-2017, 11:45 AM   #5
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Old 04-09-2017, 01:42 PM   #6
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Re: 5/10 NL question

PF: 3 bet all day long and it's not very close. You can likely make a smaller 3 bet as it's a co button battle and his opening range form the co should be very wide so he folds to most of your 3 bets PF. I like to 3 bet 50 here but nothing wrong with 60 either

Flop: Typical con bet should be ~50% of the pot so $'ve gotta get some value here and protect your fold equity in the future.

Turn: Hands better than yours are likely to show some aggression on the flop and you need to bet bigger on the turn. If he's on a fd you can't let him draw cheap

River: Agree with other posters that a fold is likely correct w/out a read
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