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Old 06-04-2018, 02:39 PM   #1
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Diamond 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

Playing 5-10 NL at local casino.

Hero: $2000
Villian: $1500
Villian #2 $1500

Must move table, sat down and played for a few orbits.

I'm UTG and get dealt AK of diamonds - raise to $35
Middle Position (Villian #1) (Solid Reg) 3 bets to $105
Button Villian #2) (Unknown Player) 4 bets $300

Hero?
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:19 PM   #2
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

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Playing 5-10 NL at local casino.

Hero: $2000
Villian: $1500
Villian #2 $1500

Must move table, sat down and played for a few orbits.

I'm UTG and get dealt AK of diamonds - raise to $35
Middle Position (Villian #1) (Solid Reg) 3 bets to $105
Button Villian #2) (Unknown Player) 4 bets $300

Hero?
I know some will disagree with me, but for me this is a pretty easy fold. Why do I want to play AKs out of position in whats gonna be a huge pot? Unless you have reads on the villains that say otherwise, it seems like you're up against some pretty strong pairs where even if you improve there could be reverse implied odds. If for some reason you think they're both FOS then shove, otherwise fold.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:59 PM   #3
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

you could probably poll 100 crushers and not get a definitive answer.

not a crusher but iím just ripping it here
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Old 06-04-2018, 04:34 PM   #4
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

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I know some will disagree with me, but for me this is a pretty easy fold. Why do I want to play AKs out of position in whats gonna be a huge pot? Unless you have reads on the villains that say otherwise, it seems like you're up against some pretty strong pairs where even if you improve there could be reverse implied odds. If for some reason you think they're both FOS then shove, otherwise fold.
I was thinking that too and the fact that I had only $35 invested; however, I did not fold. lol.
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Old 06-05-2018, 09:25 AM   #5
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I was thinking that too and the fact that I had only $35 invested; however, I did not fold. lol.
I hope you screamed yolo as you shoved.
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Old 06-05-2018, 03:31 PM   #6
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

lol. In my head I did. I didn't quite shove, I raised to $900 and Villian 1 snap shoves all in for around $600 more and Vilian 2 folded. I obviously call and Villian 1 shows - KK

Flop - A 10 3, Turn 4 River A

I win but got lucky. In hindsight, this seems like a fold, but wanted to see what others would do.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:58 AM   #7
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

I would probably have folded. Does anyone limp utg with a hand like AKs?
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Old 06-07-2018, 04:16 PM   #8
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

I would’ve folded as well. Villains are showing too much strength against AK.
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Old 06-09-2018, 12:55 PM   #9
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

Assuming UTG means it's a full ring table with 8 or more players, I think you jam a range where his KK is indifferent to calling off, which means you jam AA and a couple Axs bluffs.

Highest EQ Axs are A5s, then A4s/A3s/ATs, around there. AKs should still be the best bluff jam as it blocks some KK from calling.

Not sure what you do with KK honestly. I think it calls, but then you'd call a few other hands as well? Not sure. Maybe call KK only, donk non-Ahi flops?


Anyway; if you think the cold 4bettor will fold KK to a jam, you should jam all Axs. If you think he calls KK to a jam, you should fold all Axs. If you think he's perfectly mixing (or you don't know) then AKs seems like a jam, while A5s and ATs are close/indifferent.
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Old 06-11-2018, 03:33 AM   #10
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

Against unknowns, it's not really a difficult fold.

Calling puts you in a terrible spot. You're almost surely behind at least 1 player, if not dominated. There's nearly no flop that gets you paid off to compensate for the risk. Not to mention you don't cap that action so you could simply be burning $300 preflop.

Apparently you recognize that the 5-bet was not based in any kind of strategy so no need to comment on that.
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Old 07-10-2018, 01:35 PM   #11
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Re: 5/10 NL - Interesting Spot - Thoughts?

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you could probably poll 100 crushers and not get a definitive answer.

not a crusher but iím just ripping it here
I think that for 150bb this is pretty close, but i like to get involved. I like All In or Fold.

You have the two best blockers, when called you aren't chuffed but have OK equity at times.

I don't think we can flat the 4bet though...

Although one thing to consider, how often in live poker do we sold the cold 4bet? haha
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:30 PM   #12
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Although one thing to consider, how often in live poker do we sold the cold 4bet? haha
Pretty reasonable amount of time if you have an aggressive player known for 3-betting a lot.

But not often enough to make calling a 4-bet w/ AKs a smart move.
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