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5/10 NL Bellagio - facing large river bet with Top set 5/10 NL Bellagio - facing large river bet with Top set

08-02-2018 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by xtiangold
There's some great content by Nick Howard and his training site that talks about WHY we rationalize against our instincts - and the conclusion that it often boils down to is our subconscious need to be in control of our situation. When you get into these spots where you're top of your range and expecting to win the hand quite often - and then your opponent goes over the top or exhibits aggression, you are no longer in control of the outcome of the hand - somebody else has decided that for you, all there is to do now is let it go and move onto the next hand. But as a competitive person (which i'm sure you are) we start rationalizing into ways that we can somehow win this hand. You can simplify this down to just needing 'better discipline' or 'willingness to fold to top of range' in the right spots. But if you take it one step further it's about truly being able to trust yourself and not trying to find reasons to fight when you know the hand is lost. I know that this is probably a much more meta/deeper context than what you posted the hand for, if you were just looking for technical analysis of what you should be doing here. I suppose my bottom line is just to explore the possibility that this is in fact a mental game problem and not a technical one. Best of luck to you man!
Fair enough. I think there's some truth in what you're saying although I don't know if I agree with all of it. But appreciate you sharing your point of view in any case.
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08-02-2018 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
Fair enough. I think there's some truth in what you're saying although I don't know if I agree with all of it. But appreciate you sharing your point of view in any case.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtiangold
There's some great content by Nick Howard and his training site that talks about WHY we rationalize against our instincts - and the conclusion that it often boils down to is our subconscious need to be in control of our situation. When you get into these spots where you're top of your range and expecting to win the hand quite often - and then your opponent goes over the top or exhibits aggression, you are no longer in control of the outcome of the hand - somebody else has decided that for you, all there is to do now is let it go and move onto the next hand. But as a competitive person (which i'm sure you are) we start rationalizing into ways that we can somehow win this hand. You can simplify this down to just needing 'better discipline' or 'willingness to fold to top of range' in the right spots. But if you take it one step further it's about truly being able to trust yourself and not trying to find reasons to fight when you know the hand is lost. I know that this is probably a much more meta/deeper context than what you posted the hand for, if you were just looking for technical analysis of what you should be doing here. I suppose my bottom line is just to explore the possibility that this is in fact a mental game problem and not a technical one. Best of luck to you man!
Agree 100%- We also get attached to the money. I believe its an ego thing- that's my money in that pot and its mine.

This is exactly what happens. The best are willing to let go off monsters when they know they are beaten.
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08-03-2018 , 04:00 PM
A little late but I agree with a fold otr. as played being mw when v raises otf + he saw you arent afraid in that hand vs the young aggro pro i think makes this a fold.
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08-03-2018 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414

And maybe since he saw me make a previous hero call, I should just fold knowing that villain knows I'm capable of making big hero calls.

Thoughts?
I think lots of players under-estimate the importance of this read. I also think it's a little fishy of vil to think we're going to hero again for any amount just based on this one isolated incident. Vil should have bet smaller here IMO.
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