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5/10 NL 300bb deep. Villains raise with 62s, T7s, etc. How to respond? 5/10 NL 300bb deep. Villains raise with 62s, T7s, etc. How to respond?

06-04-2021 , 06:07 PM
5/10 NL. 200 to 400 big blind stacks. When villains are raising to $100 with hands like 62s, T7s, etc. how do you play hands like 99? TT? Aqo? Calling seems weak. But if you raise to $250 to $300 you have put in 10% of your stack with people still left to act behind. You also don't really know what you're up against (since villain will almost always call). If you want a fold you probably have to make it $400-$500 but now you've put in 50 big blinds with people still left to act.

Thoughts? And no. I won't tell you where the game is
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06-04-2021 , 11:13 PM
you’re probably under rolled to play this game if you seriously have to ask this question. it seems like you already know the answer but you’re afraid to put in big money with nonpremium hands
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06-06-2021 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by donutman
5/10 NL. 200 to 400 big blind stacks. When villains are raising to $100 with hands like 62s, T7s, etc. how do you play hands like 99? TT? Aqo? Calling seems weak. But if you raise to $250 to $300 you have put in 10% of your stack with people still left to act behind. You also don't really know what you're up against (since villain will almost always call). If you want a fold you probably have to make it $400-$500 but now you've put in 50 big blinds with people still left to act.

Thoughts? And no. I won't tell you where the game is
i would 3b to iso
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07-25-2021 , 02:38 AM
If I get to 3b fr vs a 75% range and SPR ends up pretty low, sounds like a much easier game than it would otherwise be
5/10 NL 300bb deep. Villains raise with 62s, T7s, etc. How to respond? Quote
07-29-2021 , 11:58 AM
Just pretend it’s a 5/10/100 blind game
5/10 NL 300bb deep. Villains raise with 62s, T7s, etc. How to respond? Quote
08-01-2021 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by fast11375
Just pretend it’s a 5/10/100 blind game
This. And adjust accordingly. If the average stack is 2-4k then effectively, you're playing with 20-40BB if it's costing $100 to see a flop.
5/10 NL 300bb deep. Villains raise with 62s, T7s, etc. How to respond? Quote
08-01-2021 , 09:23 AM
yea sounds like scare money ez 3b no question asked
5/10 NL 300bb deep. Villains raise with 62s, T7s, etc. How to respond? Quote
08-09-2021 , 01:11 PM
Where is this casino?

Also you are putting the 2008 oldtimers to shame sir
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08-12-2021 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by donutman
5/10 NL. 200 to 400 big blind stacks. When villains are raising to $100 with hands like 62s, T7s, etc. how do you play hands like 99? TT? Aqo? Calling seems weak. But if you raise to $250 to $300 you have put in 10% of your stack with people still left to act behind. You also don't really know what you're up against (since villain will almost always call). If you want a fold you probably have to make it $400-$500 but now you've put in 50 big blinds with people still left to act.

Thoughts? And no. I won't tell you where the game is
This is pretty mandatory setup to play 3 bet to $300ish or fold, developing a flat calling range is pointless outside the big blind position with someone raising to 10bb, and possibly even pointless in the big blind, since the incentive to flat call is the pot odds and your pot odds are terrible.

If you want to know ranges I think I would default to 3 betting something around 88+, A9s+, A5s-A4s, KJs+, QJs, AJo+ depending on if someone is opening hands like 62s pure or is doing it 1% of the time but is showing it when he does. If you are UTG+1 can maybe tighten this slightly, if you are button would loosen this a lot, etc. You want to think of it less as a 10bb open and more as a massive straddle if he is playing that wide. Also you can jam hands with high equity but poor playability at low SPR like 77 if you're late position, like if you are facing open and are in big blind with a hand like 77 or A9o I think it is pretty mandatory jam.

Play aggressive, not scared, no one will be 4 betting you light when you make it $300 even if your range is slightly too wide. Also, you want them to call your 3 bet not fold so would not exploit increase your size, when you have KK and your opponent is calling you with 62s with spr of 5 going to the flop you will thank me.
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08-12-2021 , 03:08 PM
I've played a few games like this. It's no longer a standard game. You can buy in short if you want and just jam over any open if you have a decent hand of 77+. This will take any thinking out of the game and make you annoying to play against in their eyes.
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08-26-2021 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
I've played a few games like this. It's no longer a standard game. You can buy in short if you want and just jam over any open if you have a decent hand of 77+. This will take any thinking out of the game and make you annoying to play against in their eyes.
Yeah then what, double up and go home?

I don't see anyone doing this with regularity live.
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09-06-2021 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MGC
Yeah then what, double up and go home?

I don't see anyone doing this with regularity live.
Double up twice and then perhaps play another game where you still have the skill edge but don't have to worry about such high variance. The game described is essentially a short-stack game which discounts skill. I'd buy in for half of what you're playing for the game described and definitely for the hand I'd be 3betting often.
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09-07-2021 , 02:27 PM
I often play in such games, and I think that the solution is pretty much to be rolled for it. In my 10/10 or 10/20 games, the average stack is very rarely below 300bb deep a few hours in for this very reason. Towards the end, if you don't have 500bb to get in the game, it's suicide. The straddles and the side games will kill your stack in two orbits.

It is basically not a 5/10 anymore, and you need a lot more BIs to endure the variance.

Buying in short and trying to run it up can be an idea to somewhat reduce variance if you start early and still have some playability (assuming they do not all BI 300bb from the start, which I think is not typical). But if you run when you double up, I don't think that you'll be re-invited. This type of player usually want to have fun, and they expect you to provide that fun. They most likely lose, they need to at least get something out of it.

Then again, they can be extremely profitable.

To answer your question, in this type of games, I would raise most value hands pre (depending on villain obv, they can't all be insane). Depending on how deep you are, you don't necessarily want a fold. 99 does pretty well against 26s. You never really know what you are up against in any game, but seems like here you have a clear idea that it's a lot of garbage. Obv, sometimes they have a hand too, but it's pretty much whatever if they dump a lot overall.

I also find that being sticky is often quite useful versus these players. Of course, they will still try to bluff/intimidate you, but it will most definitely slow them down long term vs you. Meaning that they will still call/raise with garbage, but will be less tempted post to try and outplay you every time. It's not 100%, some people are insane and want to watch the world burn, but overall, it works pretty well for me.
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