Lame- You have a whole page of responses. Out with it, stop being greedy and "slow playing" your hand. :P

oh just tell us what happened and quit slow rollin

THIS!

+1

Alright guys so lets reveal the rest of the hand.... SLOWROLL officially OVER

Action folds back to Hero on the button after V2 4bets the BB to $310.... Hero looking down at 7s 7c and having $1400 effective behind with $610 in the middle already... Hero thinks for about ten seconds before quickly deciding that the best play is to back-raise all in for $1400 in hopes of V2 folding out majority of his range which is discussed above.

Action back on V2 in BB and he goes into the tank for a solid 2 minutes before calling... V2 asks to run it twice to which I gladly oblige and both runouts come Ace King high with zero sweats for Hero and no 7s show up along with no straight or flush sweats.

After both runouts V2 says "You have to have it" as to which I am thinking Not even close buddy he then turns over QQ and scoops the $3400 pot.

In hind sight I really think Hero's back-raise shove was and still would be the most profitable play given this specific game dynamic so I am absolutely content with making this play. It would be a rare circumstance that this particular dynamic plays out again anytime soon but this was 2am in vegas during WSOP so maybe next year a similar spot will come up and I will have a different result.

Lastly, I was almost hesitant to even post this hand history because it was a dynamic that does not come up very often and the way I played the hand would be far from my standard line but after posting and reading through majority of comments it seems like most people are in line and agreed with my thought process and see merit in the back-rasise shove. It's nice to get validation that others agree in the long term a back-raise shove in this spot would be the most profitable play. Thanks to all who contributed their thoughts much appreciated.

Solid Strat thread. Was hoping for a better outcome, like a fold. Or a call w 66

Easy to comment with cards up but as I read the thread my reoccuring gut thought was "I have 7's and my rule is play small AF pre with 7's regardless of what idiots are in the hand and if I do get it in small pre, fold if I whiff." Not exactly TAG.

I understand your strategy but like you said if you read the entire thread I was leveraging my TAG image in this particular spot to try and blow V2 off of the top portion of his 4 bet range which he folds out 88-10s and probably even Jacks along with all suited Broadway's with the exception of AK suited in which V2 is prob calling at a 50/50 frequency or so. So as you mentioned NOT EXACTLY TAG is exactly what Hero was trying to essentially exploite during this particular hand that's why when V2 saw both run outs he said "you must have it" because he would never be expecting hero to backraise shove as light as 7s here it just so happens V2 picked up the very top of his range here and still had to tank for 2 minutes pre-flop to call.

With all of that being said Hero is never an advocate for playing a 340BB pot with a pair of 7s but couldn't resist the shove due to game dynamics and felt it's the most profitable play in this game.

Hwro wished the outcome would have been better as well but is content with the result it's poker next time hero will scoop...

Like I said. Lol. JK!!! I dont mind the play but I dont put my big stack in with 7s unless I have 3 of them.

No doubt my friend that is what makes poker so fun and intriguing is people's thought processes vary greatly and people view hands in different ways I respect your decision Hero chose the higher variance route unfortunately it didn't work out in this particular hand

I'm just happy I was right. I have no shame. Only time I want all my money in pre with 77 is in some kind of tournament setting. I just feel like at best you're racing AKo/AQs and at worst crushed by QQ/KK/AA.

There just has to be a better time to get your $1400 in than there.

I respect how you came on here and put it all out there. I respect the absolute hell out of you sir. Went w a read and had the balls to take it to the mat. Even more so put it out in a public forum. The more I think about the hand and situation- there are some days I go same route as Hero. #respect

Your entitled to your opinion and I totally get where your coming from as previously stated throughout the thread and the title of the thread "Funky Line" this is a far from standard line for hero because under general circumstances your read is accurate and I am behind probably 70%+ of V2 4 bet range to which I would be folding to V2 4bet. But with the circumstances of this particular game and my imagine I do believe gameflow called for a back shove which happened to not work out. Totally understand your angle though higher variance route in hopes of folding out majority of V2 4 bet range in this game failed and realizing all my equity on 2 two runouts occurred but no binkage... happens onto the next hand

Thanks bud next time we bink a 7 on the first runout and catch a running 4 liner straight on the second runout Hahahah

No DOUBT! Haha

It is very unknown that he can or wants to 4b you light in this spot just because he is simply 3B isoing the whale in other hands. I think the hand is played great and now fold is far and away the best line.

If you had seen Villian 4B light, especially with minish type re-sizings, and you think your image is completely clean you could ambitiously shove.

I would rather keep my tight image and wait for a 3 way spot where I can rep a backdoor flush on the river or something and pick up an even larger of a pot if I am going to risk my whole stack on a bluff.

If he was bluffing he would most likely make it larger, 375+ in my live experience. With the betsizing of only 180 more (generally a very nuttish min-raise line in live poker) its even more of a fold. Plus if he does have JJ/1010/AK/even 99 he will more than likely call your shove given that you just called to begin with.

Valid points not disagreeing with you but as you mentioned yes my intention was to utilize my clean TAG image in this particular HH and well we all now know the end result.... I do strongly believe V2 folds 99 and 10 10 though I am prettt certain JJ puts him in a tough spot where he is 50/50 as far as call/fold frequency but I do believe AK calls... also I generally never backraise shove (nobody knows me in this game) but given dynamic I figured my backraise shove could look super nutted itself because V2 is capable enough to know I've picked up on his 3bet frequency to V1 opens. But valid points with his 4 bet and sizing im torn on because he can size smallish when nutted (which in this case he was) or he can raise small to make it an easy fold if he has a weaker hand and gets 5 bet jammed on.

I think 77 here are overvalued.

True, it’s a pair and we should be ahead, but only marginally.

This hand has little playability postflop compared to hands like KJs or even 9T suited.

This bring us to the question, what should we do here. We have to admitted that we put ourselves in such tough decision due to mistakes made earlier.

-> Flatting with a middle pair with a guy looking to raise V1 ranges.

If we raise with 77, we are really looking at villain folding preflop and not looking forward to any post flop play.

As such, I would fold 77 here and wait for a better opportunity, eg, raising with 9Ts or A5s or KJs. These hand plays better postflop and have blockers to villain calling ranges

I hate the flat and would've rr V1 fairly quickly and confidently. Unless your flat range is super strong here, you're opening yourself up to all kinds of headaches imo. Obv folding to V2s inevitable rr.

As played, I don't hate your shove at all. I think he folds lots of hands there.