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5/10 deepish - Line check with AA in 3b pot 5/10 deepish - Line check with AA in 3b pot

03-19-2019 , 10:27 PM
5/10, $2900 eff

V is effective stack. 30s middle Eastern guy, seems quite aggro with 4-5 3b squeezes in the past 1.5 hours I’ve sat with him. He hasn’t shown down many hands, no light hero calls or huge bluffs that I’ve seen.

2 limps
V on BTN raises to 60
Hero with AcAh 3bet to 240
Only V calls

Flop (505): 9c 7c 2s
Hero and V check

Turn: Jh
Hero bets 325
V calls

River (1165): Kc
Here bets 525

Is this line OK? I’m not a fan of range downbetting, especially as OOP in 3b pots. I prefer having a check/give up range and balancing with hands like this.

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.
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03-19-2019 , 10:51 PM
You could size up the river bet. Neither of your ranges has clubs after the flop goes check check. Villain shouldn't be defending kj off vs your 3 bet so you should have a range advantage.
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03-24-2019 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by just_grindin
You could size up the river bet. Neither of your ranges has clubs after the flop goes check check. Villain shouldn't be defending kj off vs your 3 bet so you should have a range advantage.
Disagree that neither of the ranges contain flushes. If both players are playing well they should both be able to show up with several combos of flushes.
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03-24-2019 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by civ77
Disagree that neither of the ranges contain flushes. If both players are playing well they should both be able to show up with several combos of flushes.
Yea I agree looking at it again but still think oop range has more since there is less incentive to bluff with suited high card Ax.

In position though should betting quite frequently on this board given preflop and board texture.

Also since we hold the Ac favors the idea our range is still full of flushes in villain's eyes.
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03-25-2019 , 07:40 PM
I think you need to bet around 2/3 pot here. V can show up with overcards, fds, top pair, overpairs, 88, A7, etc., and will call. That bet size can be pairs and draws, so most Vs shouldn't give up unless they had stone nothing anyway.
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03-26-2019 , 03:36 AM
I think i prefer a flop bet on this texture but turn and river look fine as played.
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03-26-2019 , 03:11 PM
Nh
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03-28-2019 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
I think i prefer a flop bet on this texture but turn and river look fine as played.
Agree.
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04-02-2019 , 01:23 AM
bet flop and play for stacks imo
never heard the term range downbetting btw, I would just play in a vacuum in live poker unless youre up against a known thinking reg who you have history with or expect to have history with over time
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04-03-2019 , 09:59 PM
Betting Flop gives you more opportunity to raise villains bluffs if they decide to raise a Flop bet in position. Also need to extract value from any hand that calls a 3-Bet Preflop from an OOP opponent.

Bet Flop, especially with the A blocker, and if villain does come over the top, play for stacks.

From the action, it looks like villain likely has AJ, TT, or 88.

Get that value $$$
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04-04-2019 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by just_grindin
You could size up the river bet. Neither of your ranges has clubs after the flop goes check check. Villain shouldn't be defending kj off vs your 3 bet so you should have a range advantage.
To assume neither player has a flush draw check on flop is pretty absurd.
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04-04-2019 , 12:27 PM
Given we have Ac what flush draws could we possibly put villian on besides one combo each of QcJc and Jc10c
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04-04-2019 , 12:30 PM
Firstly let's look at Villians range when he gets to the river.
22, 77, (maybe some 88) 99, and JJ. Also some flatted QQ?
(He can also have some TT, but I would assume that will be bet to a high frequency on flop due to its ability to get calls from worse hands, like draws while also gaining protection from over cards on the turn).

He will also have JTs, QJs, KJs and a few AJ that you block a few combos off.
Other than the obvious 2 pair, your bet should be targetting Jx.

He actually shows up with very little Kx. Other than KTs which will have turned the double gutter.

QT being the nut straight and the obvious flush draw getting there...

Your hand here (while still being relatively strong) cant bet for large sizings. I like your 1/2 pot bet, and I think anything bigger is only going to get called by 2pair+.

I think using 35%-40%, could actually work very effectively here. He should raise very infrequently, due to you holding the Ac.
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04-04-2019 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PorkedPoker
To assume neither player has a flush draw check on flop is pretty absurd.
Glad you stopped reading before I conceded I was wrong but stood by my argument that the river bet could be slightly larger as our range still has the advantage and villain should certainly be more likely to bluff on this particular flop when we check, which I have to assume includes flush draws.

Then again maybe villain knows our checking range is a lot stronger on this board and doesn't bet as much as I thought a player would or should here.
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04-05-2019 , 12:56 PM
Why aren't we betting flop here? I think our range should be betting this flop close to 100% of the time for small sizing (~30%). No solver gurus have chimed in but I'd be surprised if we're checking this flop very often.
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04-07-2019 , 11:18 AM
I have not played a 5/10 NL game in nearly ten years, so it's possible that the strategies might be different these days, but...

I would have bet two-thirds-pot to full-pot on the flop here -- if he's drawing to the flush, then make him pay, and if he has you beaten aready, then nothing will change except the ultimate size of the pot; if he calls a big bet on the flop, then you can re-evaluate at the turn. (If he check-raises the flop, then you have a much different situation to consider.) With this texture, I think you're ahead on flop and turn, and so if he calls the large bet on the flop, it looks ok to move all-in on the turn and make him think.
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05-17-2019 , 03:58 PM
As played I kind of agree with others that river should be a bit bigger. I don't mind flop check, but I prefer a flop CB turn check. Although like I said flop is ok, really depends on your overall flop strategy.
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05-18-2019 , 02:33 PM
if you're not sizing your cbets down for 3b pots in 2019, you're burning money. The games allow it and you'll save a **** ton long term. Why are we not betting the flop? We're 300bbs deep and he probably expects you to cbet with air a decent amount of time. 300bbs with AA here and not cbetting this flop seems absurd to me.
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05-26-2019 , 05:02 AM
flop seems fine to me. depends on your overall strat. 1/3 flop on this texture with full range makes no sense at all and is literally just copying bet sizings, and is just asking to get completely owned.

ap turn and river fine, tho river should be bigger slightly
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