5/10 at Commerce
Stack $1500
BB with AQ

Villain has been playing a fairly standard game, nothing noteworthy yet. SB is a rec player.

MP raise 35
MP+1 call 35
Folds to SB
SB all-in 115
Hero (BB) raise 250 (sizing ok? this is also an unusual spot)
MP call 250
MP+1 fold

Flop T 7 2 (main: $380, side: $275? doesnt seem right but thats what was in side pot)

Hero?

A couple of questions here:
- What is your preflop cold 4bet iso range here?
- What range do you expect from villain (MP) flatting the cold 4bet?
- What does my cbetting range look like here assuming my cold 4bet range is AQ+, TT+. Preflop, my cold 4bet with AQ is a semibluff given the SB all-in whose range I am ahead of (felt like he was trying to triple or go home), but MP I am not really happy to see more action from. I think this keeps me a bit balanced in this spot because if I am going to enter this pot, I do need to be able to beat the SB. The power of a typical good 4bet bluff hand like A5s does not seem as appropriate here due to the SB all in, but I cant only have monsters here.

Check

I like the 4b, As played check

+2 to check

I'm a bit more hesitant to make this 4-bet in a full ring game than I used to be. Sizing is ok. I think a little smaller is better. Your fold equity will basically the same, it looks stronger, relative stacks are deeper which gives you more room to play post and on the times when you miss and someone isn't folding or is slow playing, you'll lose less on your cbet.

If you're confident SB is jamming super light, I think its a great spot to 4-bet with an even weaker hand which could be great for table image when you get to showdown

Thanks for the replies.

Since I'm not really expecting a lot of answers to this (it's fairly boring, I know) and I want this hand to serve as info for another post with villain/MP, I'm going to post spoiler early:

So MP cold called an additional 21 BB's with something worse than A9, You either have a wild image or seems like a good game.

Results doesn't change my opinion of the hand I like the way you played it. Just make sure you check some AA KK in these spots.

There doesn't seem to be any discussion of 10BB players ai range. We are likely a few points better than a flip here. Why do we want to inflate a pot, OOP, with a hand that doesn't flop well? It might seem nitty but this just isn't a great spot to put in a small raise from SB. If we have $500 it's a no brainer all in cause of the perceived dead money in MP and MP+1. If small stack doesn't shove it's an easy 3B to $160. It just seems like when we do get called by one of the other players we are behind OOP and when we don't we take our 53% equity heads up.

this is just a check fold here for me especially since the sb is all in and that T72 more hits our opponents range. All we have here is TT that hits that board. We aren't 4b 77 or 22 or 89s kind of a hand. and unless your plan is to fold out a hand your beating like AK i don't see a point in betting. Cause the other value hands the villain has i don't think hes folding in 4b pot hes pretty much pot committed at this point with any pair over 7s.

I was actually more curious what the cbetting range should look like here? Do we have bluffs (maybe AKs with backdoor)?

And what do we think MP flats with here?

Thoughts on flat pre flop?


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I'm not betting flop either, but outcome of hand is quite interesting. Ob we've taken notes of that player so we can RR him with our strong pairs and flopped monsters

If you think villain's range can contain AK then AQ back door makes a better bluff.

OOP, this is either a raise or fold and I actually lean towards fold even though some will call that nittish. Flatting with two players behind to act, and being OOP the rest of the hand, with a trouble hand, is gonna lose you money over time, every time. I'd rather flat with my 87, 76 etc in this spot.

Bet 350 and shove turn to fold him off JJ and QQ while stealing the side pot nd his flop bet

If he has TT or trapped big pair so be it

Getting 1.8:1 preflop vs a EP OR and MP flat and SB shove im thinking AQo is unplayable with two players deep and left to act.

I would estimate that you want to defend somewhere between 8 to 10% of your starting range after splitting MDF between two other players which would be something like 6s plus and ace jack off + so maybe I am being too tight preflop.

I think the rays size is goof offering EP 2:1. Could maybe go a touch lower even to offer 2.25 to 1.

With a player all in preflop I think we should drastically reduce our bluffing range maybe none at all.

I would 4 bet here with Jack's + and Ace King suited.

I think middle position is calling with a range that looks like .5KK, 88-QQ, AK, AKs.

Check and give up on the hand/ bet small(like 200-300) and give up to any aggression.
By the way i dont thinks its a winning play to 4-bet preflop.
Even if we are ahead and he got like a random hand like a-x so we are 65% to win. there is always the case we are crushed, and there are 2 players behind you that can have something. I would rather see a flat there

I think you want to continuation bet a little bit more than half of your range with a value to Bluff ratio of something like 1 to 1.5 using a near half pot size bet which would mean you would be betting something like the top 20% of your range for value and another near 30% for bluffs.

On the flop using the range for MP that I guessed I have Hero with 59 combos on the flop 27 of which are top pair or better and villain has 50 combos on the flop 18 of which are top pair or better. Heroes range is 54% air and villains range is 40% air (Ax). I think that this flop is more favorable for heroes range as he has a higher concentration of top hair plus with all of his over pair combos. Hero having all of the combos of AceQ will cause his range to have a higher concentration of air though so I think it is necessary to have some check folds with your Ax.

AK would have some SDV but not much so it's looking like Cbet bluff AQ and look to check down/improve with AK.

With only two rounds of betting I could see wanting to range check most flops where are Equity is largely invulnerable. If we do bet the Flop is it with the intentions of going all-in on the turn? if you bet half pot on the Flop and 3/4 pot on the turn villain will end up felting something like 15 to 17 combos which would be his sets and OPs or any draws that he makes. Vs that range you maybe able to value bet TT, AA-QQ for a total of 21 combos.

Using a 1:.8 value to bluff ratio on the flop would have you betting 16-17 bluff combos for a total of 37-38 combos, or 63% of your flop starting range. There may be more value in slow playing some of your stronger premium made hands which would reduce you're value:bluffing range and overall betting frequency some, but you have exactly 16 combos of AQs that can be used as bluffs.

I think you should have raised more preflop to isolate the all in. Played as is, I’d bet 85% of the pot and win with AQ.

You're too focused on the absolute strength of your hand. You were getting 3.4 to 1 odds to call. You almost have to call here. Surely you have more than 23% equity against villain's range.

You mean shoving after MP donks 275?

This is going to be one of your weakest combos on this board so would give up.

I'd imagine we'd be quite tight cbetting wise given villain should have set combos we don't.

I'd start betting JJ to KK, AKs and AQs with bdfd, overpairs, check AA/TT since unlocks bluffs and requires minimal protection/equity denial for balance.

Preflop wise I like not having a floating range. FWIW villain can very reasonably have AA here given SPR is so low otf.