Villain and I have some history. He is one of the looser players at the table and cultivates a loose and bluffy image while going for 3 streets of value very thinly.


Example:

Hero folds UTG, UTG+1(4K) raises to 75, Villain defends BB

Flop 239r, villain bets, UTG+1 calls, Turn Q villain bets UTG+1 calls, river 8 villain bets UTG+1 calls with AKo and is good

Conversely, I've seen people snap off on the river with second pair.

He is a pro, I'm a winning rec player. He should view me as a smart, thinking player who tends to call as opposed to raise in some spots where other people might raise more often.


OTTH

hero dealt QQ

7 handed UTG opens to 75, folds to villain on the button who raises to 250, hero is effective stack with 2800 on SB and flats, UTG flats

750

356

hero checks, UTG checks, villain bets 400, hero calls, UTG folds

A

check, check

6

Hero checks, villain bets 1250

What's your usual cold call SB range for this preflop action? Do you flat QQ 100%?

I am sure "the book" says to call but I probably fold- ur probably beat by a big ace just by the way the action went pre and post flop.

I think you should probably 4-bet preflop to like 800ish.

As played, fold flop. Your hand is really weak on that flop. River is a fold as well.

I agree.

how deep is utg pfr? Do we know anything about him? Probably lean towards a 4! pre when we are short handed barring special circumstances vs bu V. Ap fold river is fine.

C/F flop? What? I probably pay off if he's that reckless

I think when OP cold calls he probably has a range of QQ-99, AK, AQs-AJs, plus or minus a few hands. I think it would be reasonable to continue with flushes, the nut flush draw, and pairs containing a spade. You could argue a flop call with QQ without the spade, but since it is 3-way I think we can give him more credit for a hand.

Suited connectors are popular 3-bet bluff hands and they have good equity on this board. All the suited aces from A2-A7 have at least a str8 draw. It is just a really ugly board for us.

Your hand is face up. If he had air he'd bet turn and win the pot. He has AK one spade here a lottttttt.

UTG was a tight unknown. Even 7 handed I wanted to play cautious and I do not mind not having any cold 4bet range in this spot to be perfectly honest until villain adjusts to c-betting me less often. He is smart enough to do just that but I thought he would be continuation betting a lot in this hand, targeting UTG's range.

Or he could have a really really strong hand, since he's 3betting an unknowns UTG open

with the stacksize, this is a perfect spot to crai otr. U r rep a range that smashes his range which is heavily TPTK or TPGK

I am shovign river. It looks like he has KK and didn't like the turn or has AK and is value betting the river. Unless hes a complete fish he can't call the river. we have 33 55 66 flushes still in our range. I personally would shove hes just betting the turn with all his nut range. His range is capped ours is not im either shoving or doing a big raise here.

I like playing a fold/4bet strategy from an rfi and 3bet.

Especially with your read that he is loose and aggro, he can be 3betting quite wide on the button

I'd make it 700- and fold to a 5bet jam

your at the top of your 3b cold calling range here. I am not folding the flop. And no way I am folding pre. I don't mind a 4b against more aggressive player but I like cold calling a more tight player. If your folding queens you should be playing solitare. The only way i fold QQ is if utg raise and utg +1 reraises and hes a nit. On the button they can be very wide. And the one problem with 4b is they are gonna fold out all their bluffing range. Sometimes we do have to 4b QQ vs the btn player but I would do it vs a guy whos not folding out his trash and is more of a gambling tom dwan kind of opponent.

and thats the problem with 4b the QQ is the aggro player gets to play perfectly. He gets to fold out his trash and shove over with hands hes crushing you with. And he might shove suited Ax blockers. I don't know why people are scared to see flops with premiums against aggro players. I do it all the time online and stack them that way instead of winning their measily 3b. Where if i 4b over them they get to play perfectly. Those players imo are the ones to trap. IF they feel your range is capped they are gonna go 3 streets most of the time. I seen some off the wall stuff like 37o and they run 3 barrels on me and they dont even have a gut shot draw just pure 3 barrel bluff. If your 4b these guys who have a very wide range your playing into their game. It just let them know yo got a big hand and they get off cheap. And then when we trap with big hands they have to respect our calling range and they start slowing down and we get to realize more equity. And they will try to avoid you and start picking on the other players that are abc 4b all their premiums. it makes it easy for them to play.

I don't think he gets to play perfectly. I expect a loose bluffy opponent to call or jam a decent portion of the time. For clarification, I am advocating for 4-betting and stacking off, not 4-bet folding. I may consider folding if UTG 5-bets though depending how tight he is.

If button player held 99, he's probably going to call or jam which is great for us. If he is in fact folding all sorts of garbage then we will be picking up tons of dead money where it will be worth it. We will also be picking up lots of money from our cold 4-bet bluffs too.

I wouldn't consider QQ without a spade the top of our range here. The nut flush and even TT with a spade is probably better.

4bet pre - his BTN 3bet range is a lot of air. Can't really fold if he jams.

As played just fold flop

4BANG EM PRE AND PUT HIM TO THE TEST...

HE FOLDS EVERYTHING WORSE AND IF HE HAS YOU BEAT, HE RE-POPS.

EZ DECISION!

Do we really have 33, 55, and 66? I don't see those hands cold calling a 3-bet from the SB. These hands might be okay for bluff-raising against a button bluff-raise, but definitely not calling sandwiched between the button 3-bet and UTG open. I also don't see any of those hands slowplaying a set on this flop where you could easily be up against 2 overcards or an overpair with 1 spade.

Flushes are also poor choices to slowplay on multiple streets, even the nut flush, because a 4th card of the same suit may kill your action even if it can't give your opponent a better hand.

I do not think turning QQ into a river bluff here is credible, and therefore advocate for folding.

I do think villain going for thin value on the river with KK makes sense given the turn check for pot control, but once again a raise is not credible. Why would an A raise instead of call? High chance you get called on your raise by KK.

Agree to the 4-bet pre, especially against this player type.

However, I can't ever see folding here on this flop. He will be c-betting any overs w/ a spade.

My question would be, can we commit ourselves on the flop, especially if we 4! pre?