To set the stage, this hand occurs in a private game, and is usually a 2/4 with uncapped buy in. After about 18 hours of play, the decision was made to up the blinds, but we did not have 5€ chips, so made it a 4/10.

Hero and villain are friendly and have played with each other pretty often.
Hero’s image (as far as we are aware), is that of a competent aggro player, mostly in line but capable of moves. Maybe a bit sticky, usually not scared money, but villain is aware that we do not play these stakes this deep too often, and that hero is a bit tilted by previous hands in the last orbits.

Villain is an Asian guy and a bit of gambler, but significantly above average when it comes to this type of game. He tends to be quite aggressive pre, as well as post flop. From what we’ve seen of him, he looks to be mostly merged and does not really overplay medium strengths hands. He is not scared money at all.

For a bit more context, villain got back to the table after taking a 5 hours break about 1 hour before this hand happens, is already down 2K€ more than previously, and keeps reloading to match the two higher stacks on the table.

Villain is BTN (4.7K€ stack, in for 9.5K€)

Hero is SB (5.5K€ stack, in for 1.6K€)

Action folds to villain who opens for 30€
Hero 3bets to 132€ with KdKs
Villain completes quickly

Flop : 92s2d
Hero cbets 132€, villain raises to 350€, hero calls.

Turn : Tc
Hero checks, villain bets 700€

Hero?

Considering how deep we are, and now that I am writing it down, I think my sizing pre & post could also be larger/smaller, I am curious to know what you think about this as well.

This is the first hand I post on 2+2. Please do not hesitate to ask if you think any relevant info is missing or can be clarified.

flop is a borderline check vs this player type, this deep. i really like x/c all three streets with most of our continuing range on a board like this, potentially working in delayed cbets if V checks back.

if we bet flop we have to go smaller, i’m thinking maybe 80ish into 260?

as played V is repping crazy thin OTT, I see no choice but to call. i’m also calling non-Ax, non-9 rivers.

I think sizing pre is good, sizing flop is not bad. Very close to optimal. You can vary flop size occasionally to the larger side. I don't think checking flop is ever an option as our 3 bet range crushes this entire board. Checking flop after 3 betting OOP owns us on later streets. Takes us out of the driver seat and forces too many folds. Bet calling flop this deep is standard. I feel he 4bets his JJ+ and AK AQ AJs but raise calls all other pairs and suited connectors. I'd check call turn evaluate river. Playing OOP owns us so much in poker. There is only one river card we can look forward too. It be a tough check fold on any A,Q,J, 9, 8 or spade. But really hoping he's giving up on river and checking it through

Good post. The only things missing are stack sizes on each street, how many players, and a little on BB might be warranted, but he/she is not involved so no biggie on BB.

It think it's fine so far. The 3bet pre is good assuming it's your normal raise size? I like going bigger OOP. I call turn and evaluate river. Let him own himself and don't give him a reason to fold, but I also don't want him coming over the top.

we’re 470bb deep against a loose possibly tilted “gambly Asian” and we don’t have AA (a much stronger hand that potentially blocks A2s). i think we have a range advantage on the flop but it doesn’t make sense to go big OOP on the flop (note we will still be OOP on the turn, and the river...).

i’m still on board with a small size or check.

Flop size is too big
As played it’s a pretty easy check call ott and check all rivers and see what happens

[QUOTE=apricotjello;56693417]we’re 470bb deep against a loose possibly tilted “gambly Asian” and we don’t have AA (a much stronger hand that potentially blocks A2s). i think we have a range advantage on the flop but it doesn’t make sense to go big OOP on the flop (note we will still be OOP on the turn, and the river...).

i’m still on board with a small size or check.

I understand we are crazy deep. But only 80 in 260 seems pretty small vs a player who is aggro and trying to play catch up possibly. But I also understand of not wanting to play for stacks this deep with one pair holdings. So can you explain more of your understanding to me on why why we don't want to build a potand when we should?

Ty

when u 3bet pre and then continue big on flop like this deep, its easy to put an insane amount of pressure on you and put you in bad spots. I'd just check flop since theres so little of your range that inproved here

oh actually i didn't ralize board is suited, so ya i think its fine to bet flop or check both fine. easier and fine to check still, figuring out how to play a face up hand hella deep never easy

you cant fold turn your near the top of your range its an easy call

call turn. flop sizing is fine. not sure about being mega deep, but 100bb deep iirc bigger sizing is used. you dont wanna give IP an easy decision with double backdoors, overcard + bdfd, underpairs, AQo/AJo and we have a huge equity advantage.

Sorry for not updating sooner.

The table was 6 handed at the time. BB is a friend of mine I brought to the game, and is not really a concern to me (except for the fact that it makes villain's range wider). He would play very straight forward and go as far as to tank forever/cry call QQ vs a raise from me. Villain perceives him as a very weak player, rightfully so.

I would often go lower vs some more passive profiles. However, I decide to cbet this size precisely because I don't want to put myself in a guessing game. I know this player often looks for perceived weakness, and I don't want to find myself stacking off 500 bbs against A2s because I don't know if I induced or not.

Fwiw, I chose to preserve my stack, folded and pretty much raged quit after this hand... It had been a long day already. Villain later confided in me he had QJs.

Assuming villain has a 4b range preflop, turn is a call as played imo.

I am surprised so much dialogue about flop bet. I feel I bet this spot with a lot of my 3b preflop range, but the arguments to check flop def make sense too.

If I give myself some aggro 3b range of AJs+/AQo+/99+/T9s/89s I think cbet is fine. If we make our range tighter (as in never have 9x), cbetting seems slightly worse as we can get raised with single pairs or lose AK equity.