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Old 03-12-2018, 04:11 AM   #1
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3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

Currency is in Chinese Yuan (RMB).
NLH 10/20/40(10)

Villain has 10.5k stack, hero covers.

Villain on the BTN, raises to 160.
Hero on Straddle(UTG) AJ, 3bets to 580.
Villain calls.

Pot is now at 1260.
Flop comes 952
Hero bets 630, villain calls.

Pot 2520.
Turn 3
Hero bets 1680, villain calls.

Pot 5880.
River A
Hero bets 1500, villain jams 7781.

9523A


Would like to have some opinions on the river play.
Is there any likelihood to be calling the jam or would anyone have played the river spot differently? (i.e check/call, check/fold)
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:34 PM   #2
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

What is the villain range tendencies? Against a unknown I fold on the river.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:34 AM   #3
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

@stealwheel villain is pretty unknown

@iamallin would you be calling any bets on the river?
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Old 03-15-2018, 04:04 PM   #4
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

Versus a thinking player it could be a pick off. He's representing 44 maybe 99? Ak pops you bsck pre and A9 and the other sets really shove here? I think it's such an obvious scare board and your small bet otr might look weak to him so he might very well be turning his tens or jacks into a bluff. Not sure if it's a plus or minus ev call... probably minus but i don't think it's a snap either way.
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:58 PM   #5
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

you're low in your range and block bluffs, it's a fold
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:28 PM   #6
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

I c/jam turn but if I get here I just pay off. Disagree you block bluffs think u block more value as he jams a5/a9 here or his value range is crazy small as I don't think he takes this line with sets. People turn all one pairs into bluffs or fold here which is why river bet/sizing is kinda bad IMO
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:33 PM   #7
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

Any Ax is going to block Ax hands obviously.. Not reason to call of with the Jc.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:04 AM   #8
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

Obv hugely dependent on villains tendencies. Vs unknown, I fold rather quickly. Also, think I prefer c/c most bets otr.
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Old 03-19-2018, 06:22 PM   #9
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chk riv
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:28 PM   #10
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

you never(rarely) have a 4 so not sure why you bet river - unless you wanted to induce this wild play.

Turn I like the bet. Check raise is fine too.
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Old 03-26-2018, 01:17 PM   #11
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

This seems like something straight off Pokermaster/Pokerfish lol
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Old 03-28-2018, 12:08 PM   #12
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

If I were to play this hand, I would bet 1/2 OTR. My river value range would be ATs+, AA, QQ, KK. I think betting JJ and TT OTR is too thin. I hopefuly still have half bluff combo for every value combo. I will fold half of my range facing a full pot shove. For your case, under your sizing, you should have few bluff combos OTR. So you need to fold half of your value range. You have 3 AA, 12 ATs+, 6 QQ and 6 KK. So I think AJ is a call here. But it's very close as you block the FD. Arguably you can fold all AcXc. But I would prefer a linear approach here.

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Old 03-28-2018, 12:17 PM   #13
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If I were to play this hand, I would bet 1/2 OTR. My river value range would be ATs+, AA, QQ, KK. I think betting JJ and TT OTR is too thin. I hopefuly still have half bluff combo for every value combo. I will fold half of my range facing a full pot shove. For your case, under your sizing, you should have few bluff combos OTR. So you need to fold half of your value range. You have 3 AA, 12 ATs+, 6 QQ and 6 KK. So I think AJ is a call here. But it's very close as you block the FD. Arguably you can fold all AcXc. But I would prefer a linear approach here.

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Forgot to say, in this stake, players are usually underbluff in such river. So you can comfortably fold any TP. But it will be a highly exploitative fold


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Old 03-28-2018, 12:36 PM   #14
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

I bet more on flop, turn looks fine. What were you trying to accomplish otr? If you think villain will spaz shove, I guess it's ok. If not, pure spew imo.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:25 PM   #15
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I bet more on flop, turn looks fine. What were you trying to accomplish otr? If you think villain will spaz shove, I guess it's ok. If not, pure spew imo.
I have no issue with anything until the river. Someone mentioned earlier, and they were correct imo, that we just never have any fours in our range here. Betting the river can only create a tough spot. I like a check/call there.
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Old 04-03-2018, 08:57 AM   #16
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Re: 3b pot 250bb deep (straddle game)

prefer checking river to protect TT to KK type hands. not a fan of turn and river sizing
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Old 04-27-2018, 07:23 AM   #17
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I'd also prefer to check/call. Btw you can have fours if you 3b A4s, or 54s, 64s and you barrel as well.
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Old 04-29-2018, 09:31 AM   #18
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I'd also prefer to check/call. Btw you can have fours if you 3b A4s, or 54s, 64s and you barrel as well.
I like check/call.

- the straight draw just got there.
- missed flush draws get to bluff. He can rep Ax.

Well played except the river.
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:09 AM   #19
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Agree with check/call on river. Betting AK/AQ for value though. I actually would like a jam a lot more than a smallish bet.
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Old 05-02-2018, 01:19 PM   #20
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Agree with check/call on river. Betting AK/AQ for value though. I actually would like a jam a lot more than a smallish bet.
Why do you check call AJ but bet for for with AK? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm actually curious as to your thought process.

The way I see it, It's very unlikely opponent has an ace unless you're beat allready by A5 A9 etc. Which imo is the most likely scenario.

Seems very unlikely for opponent to have a flush draw unless he has exactly KQ clubs. We don't have enough info on villain to know if he calls a 3 bet preflop with 34 or 76 suited, and we block all flush draws to the nuts. At this point in the hand, I don't think theres a weaker hand calling on the river, or a stronger hand folding.

Could be slowplaying a set, but I would assume he'd want to protect that on the flop, and even more so on the turn.

Pocket 4's are totally possible given the betting especially if he had the 4 of clubs in his hand.

I just don't see us being ahead in any scenario, so why AK and AQ but not AJ?
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Old 05-02-2018, 03:20 PM   #21
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If we have AQ, villain could show up with AJ here. It'd be a bit of a wide float for him to make, but wouldn't be unreasonable. Those extra few combos just barely swing this from a check/call to a jam IMO. Even moreso with AK.



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Why do you check call AJ but bet for for with AK? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm actually curious as to your thought process.

The way I see it, It's very unlikely opponent has an ace unless you're beat allready by A5 A9 etc. Which imo is the most likely scenario.

Seems very unlikely for opponent to have a flush draw unless he has exactly KQ clubs. We don't have enough info on villain to know if he calls a 3 bet preflop with 34 or 76 suited, and we block all flush draws to the nuts. At this point in the hand, I don't think theres a weaker hand calling on the river, or a stronger hand folding.

Could be slowplaying a set, but I would assume he'd want to protect that on the flop, and even more so on the turn.

Pocket 4's are totally possible given the betting especially if he had the 4 of clubs in his hand.

I just don't see us being ahead in any scenario, so why AK and AQ but not AJ?
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:09 AM   #22
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If we have AQ, villain could show up with AJ here. It'd be a bit of a wide float for him to make, but wouldn't be unreasonable. Those extra few combos just barely swing this from a check/call to a jam IMO. Even moreso with AK.
That's some float. We would need to know he floats a missed drawy board for 2 streets with AJ. It's too thin in my opinion.

He has 4x all day here as played.
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Old 05-03-2018, 09:30 AM   #23
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That's some float. We would need to know he floats a missed drawy board for 2 streets with AJ. It's too thin in my opinion.

He has 4x all day here as played.
This +1. Way too thin of value here dude.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:46 AM   #24
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That's some float. We would need to know he floats a missed drawy board for 2 streets with AJ. It's too thin in my opinion.

He has 4x all day here as played.
Floating AJ with the Ac here is fine because it sets you up to bluff clubs on river. It's definitely near the bottom of the range I float with. Our 2-barrel range should be wide enough here where that's not crazy.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:50 PM   #25
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Floating AJ with the Ac here is fine because it sets you up to bluff clubs on river. It's definitely near the bottom of the range I float with. Our 2-barrel range should be wide enough here where that's not crazy.
But we have the A of clubs....I think you're levelling yourself a bit here. But next time it happens, I wanna play in the game where people are floating AJ unconnected on two streets and then call a river shove when their ace hits.
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