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09-29-2017 , 07:02 AM
Should I have cold 4bet?
As played pre was it correct to play this passive postflop to keep in weak hands?

UTG was 13 RFI from that position
Villlian was unknown played only a few hands against looking like TAG


    WPN, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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    SB: $2.41 (120.5 bb)
    BB: $3.80 (190 bb)
    UTG: $3.70 (185 bb)
    MP: $2.09 (104.5 bb)
    Hero (CO): $2 (100 bb)
    BTN: $2.39 (119.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with K A
    UTG raises to $0.06, MP raises to $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, 4 folds

    Flop: ($0.43) K 6 J (2 players)
    MP bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

    Turn: ($0.79) T (2 players)
    MP bets $0.57, Hero calls $0.57

    River: ($1.93) 8 (2 players)
    MP bets $1.17 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.08 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.09 pot ($0.20 rake)
    Final Board: K 6 J T 8
    MP showed K K and won $3.89 ($1.89 net)
    Hero showed K A and lost (-$2 net)
    2nl  AKo Quote
    09-29-2017 , 07:56 AM
    Flatting the 3bet is fine ip. Flop call is standard. Villains is gona have AQ/JJs often here but I don't see how you can get away from this on any street.
    2nl  AKo Quote
    09-29-2017 , 08:04 AM
    calling here on this limits, with rake being this high is not going to show you profit IMO, having no calling range here is best IMO.

    as played folding turn
    2nl  AKo Quote
    09-29-2017 , 10:30 AM
    I'm 4-betting PF. Maybe you could make the argument for folding if you know MP only has, like, JJ+ and AK here but readless I'm not that comfortable with giving up immediately.

    I'm not sure if I actually flat anything here-- I'm 4-betting QQ+, AK, and then some hands like A5s-A2s. Folding AQs- and JJ-, I guess? Would be curious to see other peoples' ranges for 4-betting out of the CO. It's not really a spot I've ever looked at.

    I'm really confused on the turn. I initially thought it was a call, then I thought it was a fold, and now I'm not sure between the two options.

    Against a super tight range of KK+, JJ, AK, we have 27% equity OTT. If you add in AQs and KQs, it goes to 29%. It jumps up to the mid-40s if you add, like, A2s and A5s to represent a polar range that double barrels some of the time. We're getting .57 / 1.93 on a call, or about 29.5%. There's not much in the way of implied odds, but if we ever think villain has a bluff or is betting something he shouldn't (QQ, e.g.), then we should call. If we think people don't 3-bet light at 2NL and that their turn range is essentially only strong value hands, then maybe we can fold.

    Think the hand is much easier to play when we don't just flat PF though.
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    09-29-2017 , 01:22 PM
    At 2nl in this situation I fold river. I don't think he would be 3betting pre from MP and then shoving worse on that board. At 2nl I find most players don't have a light 3bet range from MP.


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    2nl  AKo Quote
    09-29-2017 , 03:09 PM
    Thanks guys for your replys.
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    09-29-2017 , 06:24 PM
    Raise pre flop you set yourself up for this
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    09-29-2017 , 11:43 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JamesBJames
    I'm 4-betting PF. Maybe you could make the argument for folding if you know MP only has, like, JJ+ and AK here but readless I'm not that comfortable with giving up immediately.

    I'm not sure if I actually flat anything here-- I'm 4-betting QQ+, AK, and then some hands like A5s-A2s. Folding AQs- and JJ-, I guess? Would be curious to see other peoples' ranges for 4-betting out of the CO. It's not really a spot I've ever looked at.

    I'm really confused on the turn. I initially thought it was a call, then I thought it was a fold, and now I'm not sure between the two options.

    Against a super tight range of KK+, JJ, AK, we have 27% equity OTT. If you add in AQs and KQs, it goes to 29%. It jumps up to the mid-40s if you add, like, A2s and A5s to represent a polar range that double barrels some of the time. We're getting .57 / 1.93 on a call, or about 29.5%. There's not much in the way of implied odds, but if we ever think villain has a bluff or is betting something he shouldn't (QQ, e.g.), then we should call. If we think people don't 3-bet light at 2NL and that their turn range is essentially only strong value hands, then maybe we can fold.

    Think the hand is much easier to play when we don't just flat PF though.
    I don't think I have a 4bet bluff range against an unknown here but I should of 4bet here for sure. there is definitely light 3betting at 2nl but more against late opens although once I have reads I have 3bet bluff ranges in late positions against all Positions and some other players do too.

    Last edited by Maddidon22; 09-29-2017 at 11:53 PM.
    2nl  AKo Quote
    09-29-2017 , 11:55 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jjm442
    Raise pre flop you set yourself up for this
    I hear you
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