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04-12-2021 , 01:08 PM
God, I'm gonna catch heat for this, but here we are...

1/2 home game at a rv repair shop in a small town. I live about an hour away. Probably my 6th or 7th time playing here. Big ass table that fits 11 players plus a dealer. Damn good rake (only $2 every hand regardless of pot size). Game plays way bigger than your typical 1/2 game. Half the table are retired old guys with pockets full of cash. Awesome loose passive action.

Villain ($750) is owner of the shop and runs the game. Early 50's, white male, just recently got back from vacation in Utah. His gf is loaded (self proclaimed millionaire). She owns a big house building company. I've witnessed this guy put down several miller lites throughout the night and lose 1.5-2k all the time..reloading several hundred dollars (cash plays at this game no matter denomination). He goes on tilt and starts raising pre with ATW. Calls down with stuff as bad as bottom pair or even gut shots for pretty much any amount.

Hero has been running like God this session. In for only 200 but has built a $1.2k stack just running pure and what not.

OTTH-About 5 hours into the session. Full ring..9 or 10 players. Villain in ep limps. I overlimp 99 in the co. 5 ways to flop ($10): K95.

Checks to me, I bet $15, only V calls.

Turn ($40): 5. V checks, I bet $20. V kisses this chips, tosses them in the middle, and mumbles something to the dealer about "wanting his card to come" or "in case I hit" crap. Something along the lines of that, whatever.

River ($80): 6. Now he leads $50. I make it $225. He thinks for a bit, counts out cash and chips, and jams for $713. I sigh and tank....


I guess I'm just reconfirming that even bad players don't ship K5 and 56 here, right? Oh and lets eliminate KK here..125% always raises big pre with premiums, never limp raises. So....what are y'all doing? And yes, critique pre, flop, and turn as needed.
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04-12-2021 , 02:07 PM
Raise pre ainec.

Flop is good, as played.

I'd go a little larger on the turn.

So you only loose to 55. I'm never folding here. I get it, river 3 bet shoves are extremely nutted, but I do think a worse full house can do this.
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04-12-2021 , 02:40 PM
Insta call. Snappitty snap call. I’m calling before his shove chips hit the felt. I beat him into the pot.
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04-12-2021 , 03:30 PM
Bad players that don’t care about money will do this with a flush and all the boats.
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04-12-2021 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
God, I'm gonna catch heat for this, but here we are...



1/2 home game at a rv repair shop in a small town. I live about an hour away. Probably my 6th or 7th time playing here. Big ass table that fits 11 players plus a dealer. Damn good rake (only $2 every hand regardless of pot size). Game plays way bigger than your typical 1/2 game. Half the table are retired old guys with pockets full of cash. Awesome loose passive action.



Villain ($750) is owner of the shop and runs the game. Early 50's, white male, just recently got back from vacation in Utah. His gf is loaded (self proclaimed millionaire). She owns a big house building company. I've witnessed this guy put down several miller lites throughout the night and lose 1.5-2k all the time..reloading several hundred dollars (cash plays at this game no matter denomination). He goes on tilt and starts raising pre with ATW. Calls down with stuff as bad as bottom pair or even gut shots for pretty much any amount.



Hero has been running like God this session. In for only 200 but has built a $1.2k stack just running pure and what not.



OTTH-About 5 hours into the session. Full ring..9 or 10 players. Villain in ep limps. I overlimp 99 in the co. 5 ways to flop ($10): K1/2 Nines full facing river jam:91/2 Nines full facing river jam:51/2 Nines full facing river jam:.



Checks to me, I bet $15, only V calls.



Turn ($40): 51/2 Nines full facing river jam:. V checks, I bet $20. V kisses this chips, tosses them in the middle, and mumbles something to the dealer about "wanting his card to come" or "in case I hit" crap. Something along the lines of that, whatever.



River ($80): 61/2 Nines full facing river jam. Now he leads $50. I make it $225. He thinks for a bit, counts out cash and chips, and jams for $713. I sigh and tank....





I guess I'm just reconfirming that even bad players don't ship K5 and 56 here, right? Oh and lets eliminate KK here..125% always raises big pre with premiums, never limp raises. So....what are y'all doing? And yes, critique pre, flop, and turn as needed.
You know it's ok to lose a hand when we're at top of range.... it's just called a cooler when that happens.


Raise pre.

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04-12-2021 , 05:58 PM
Yea, I'm calling too, though I'm probably hating doing so.
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04-12-2021 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
God, I'm gonna catch heat for this, but here we are...

1/2 home game at a rv repair shop in a small town. I live about an hour away. Probably my 6th or 7th time playing here. Big ass table that fits 11 players plus a dealer. Damn good rake (only $2 every hand regardless of pot size). Game plays way bigger than your typical 1/2 game. Half the table are retired old guys with pockets full of cash. Awesome loose passive action.

Villain ($750) is owner of the shop and runs the game. Early 50's, white male, just recently got back from vacation in Utah. His gf is loaded (self proclaimed millionaire). She owns a big house building company. I've witnessed this guy put down several miller lites throughout the night and lose 1.5-2k all the time..reloading several hundred dollars (cash plays at this game no matter denomination). He goes on tilt and starts raising pre with ATW. Calls down with stuff as bad as bottom pair or even gut shots for pretty much any amount.

Hero has been running like God this session. In for only 200 but has built a $1.2k stack just running pure and what not.

OTTH-About 5 hours into the session. Full ring..9 or 10 players. Villain in ep limps. I overlimp 99 in the co. 5 ways to flop ($10): K95.

Checks to me, I bet $15, only V calls.

Turn ($40): 5. V checks, I bet $20. V kisses this chips, tosses them in the middle, and mumbles something to the dealer about "wanting his card to come" or "in case I hit" crap. Something along the lines of that, whatever.

River ($80): 6. Now he leads $50. I make it $225. He thinks for a bit, counts out cash and chips, and jams for $713. I sigh and tank....


I guess I'm just reconfirming that even bad players don't ship K5 and 56 here, right? Oh and lets eliminate KK here..125% always raises big pre with premiums, never limp raises. So....what are y'all doing? And yes, critique pre, flop, and turn as needed.
Folding is completely out of the question. If he coolered you, so be it.

As played
Pre - You gotta raise. All day every day. Open for whatever your standard amount is for a raise with a couple limpers already in.
Flop - Fine
Turn - Fine
River - Call
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04-12-2021 , 06:56 PM
Tilted drunk guy? Never folding. Depending on how badly he is playing this could be a sigh call but I'm not folding.

Preflop I would raise sometimes but limping is fine also.
Flop over bet on a dangerous board is good. Depending on the crowd and how much they are willing to pay I might even go $20.
Turn I would probably go $25 but that is trivial.
River is fine as long as you called.
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04-14-2021 , 11:01 PM
If you want to get invited back to this game, don't slowroll the gentleman!

This V absolutely shows up with K5/65/66 here. If he happens to have the one combo of 55 or a weirdly played KK, pay the man his money.
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04-15-2021 , 12:05 AM
Def iso raise into bad player. As played I like big flop bet. I want to go bigger OTT.

I'm snap calling, high fiving my buddy, and fistbumping the dealer while I call. It's just far too hard to believe he never has AXss here, let alone all the worse boats.
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04-15-2021 , 02:08 AM
As everyone has said, raise pre. But yeah on the river snap call while fistpumping. If you're coolered, you're coolered, but as you've described him, he would jam any and all boats in this spot. Hell, I'm jamming 5s full in this spot. As you played it, I would never believe you show up with 99 or kk there.

You look so much like a mediocre flush here (78ss or something) that if I have any boat I am betting for value to make you give me a crying call.

You have the 3rd nuts. We can pretty safely exclude second nuts based on preflop action. So that leaves him with quad 5s? If he has quads, pay him and have a good bad beat story. But you're winning 98%+ of the time here. Snappiest call.
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04-15-2021 , 11:45 AM
I’m calling and I’m happy about it!
We lose to one combo of quad 55s (only hand that beats us, based off preflop action he should never have KK).
Villain could have a lot of Ace high flushes in his range. He’s gonna shove river sometimes with a nut flush. Maybe he won’t shove every time, but even if he shoves 10% of the time, he’s already heavily weighted towards flushes (or smaller boats) when he raises river.
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04-15-2021 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wewa925
God, I'm gonna catch heat for this, but here we are...



1/2 home game at a rv repair shop in a small town. I live about an hour away. Probably my 6th or 7th time playing here. Big ass table that fits 11 players plus a dealer. Damn good rake (only $2 every hand regardless of pot size). Game plays way bigger than your typical 1/2 game. Half the table are retired old guys with pockets full of cash. Awesome loose passive action.



Villain ($750) is owner of the shop and runs the game. Early 50's, white male, just recently got back from vacation in Utah. His gf is loaded (self proclaimed millionaire). She owns a big house building company. I've witnessed this guy put down several miller lites throughout the night and lose 1.5-2k all the time..reloading several hundred dollars (cash plays at this game no matter denomination). He goes on tilt and starts raising pre with ATW. Calls down with stuff as bad as bottom pair or even gut shots for pretty much any amount.



Hero has been running like God this session. In for only 200 but has built a $1.2k stack just running pure and what not.



OTTH-About 5 hours into the session. Full ring..9 or 10 players. Villain in ep limps. I overlimp 99 in the co. 5 ways to flop ($10): K95.



Checks to me, I bet $15, only V calls.



Turn ($40): 5. V checks, I bet $20. V kisses this chips, tosses them in the middle, and mumbles something to the dealer about "wanting his card to come" or "in case I hit" crap. Something along the lines of that, whatever.



River ($80): 6. Now he leads $50. I make it $225. He thinks for a bit, counts out cash and chips, and jams for $713. I sigh and tank....





I guess I'm just reconfirming that even bad players don't ship K5 and 56 here, right? Oh and lets eliminate KK here..125% always raises big pre with premiums, never limp raises. So....what are y'all doing? And yes, critique pre, flop, and turn as needed.

Dude who plays ATC limps and you overlimp 99? That’s really bad. Missing tons of value with a strong hand and an opportunity to get HU against a weak and wide range IP.

Okay, so, you removed KK from his range. So you’re afraid of the one combo of 55? From player description, he could even have 6s6 and think he has the nuts. Call.



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04-15-2021 , 12:36 PM
Snap call, sorry you got coolered.

My first hand I posted here, I had one of the bottom boats too, and was scared of bneing coolered so I called instead. You would be surprised at how people don't take ranges and will think a flush here is the nuts. From experience, people might even play A5 this way if there was no flush on board.
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04-18-2021 , 05:19 AM
Bad players do ship k5, 65 here. Also flushes. Random bluffs. Sometimes they misread their hand or the board.

Like everyone said, gotta call, though we are deep enough not to snap - we can take 1 minute but shouldn't need more than 90 secs at most.
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04-18-2021 , 05:45 AM
A player that doesn't care about money? Easy call. As said above, you'll occasionally run into the top of his range. Can't count the number of times I've heard, "I didn't notice that the board paired" especially when someone flops a flush.
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04-20-2021 , 06:57 AM
What is his EP raising range? You said to eliminate KK cuz he "125% raises big", is he not raising first in with 55? My chips are beating his into this pot....
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04-20-2021 , 07:10 PM
That's a call all day. the only higher FH house there is someone with KK. You run into that no big deal.
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04-20-2021 , 07:26 PM
Results at this point?

I think everything is pretty standard, apart from some slight disagreements on sizing.
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04-21-2021 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Nippleman
Results at this point?
I tanked for about a minute, replaying the whole hand in my head. He sat so comfortably, I engaged some table talk and asked him what he thought that I had. He said AK, but like I said, he sounded and looked so comfortable. I think the chip kiss thing did it as well. I sighed and ended up folding face up. He flips over the red 55.

He honestly didn’t even need to show. I knew he had it. This isn’t some brag post. Was just reconfirming, people aren’t sickos in this exact spot to pile it in without quads (flushes and underfulls just call).
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04-21-2021 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
Was just reconfirming, people aren’t sickos in this exact spot to pile it in without quads (flushes and underfulls just call).
In a vacuum people do pile it in here with K5. I wouldn’t call it a sicko move. I’d consider jamming here with K5 in Villains shoes. And I’m not a loose rec player. We probably get paid if you have a flush and we rarely lose.

Edit: My reasoning would have been: When you just limp along pre it doesn’t look like you should ever have KK and 99 since those should always be iso-raised. So K5 is like the nuts on this board (losing only to 66, which you never have due to postflop line).

Last edited by ChaosInEquilibrium; 04-21-2021 at 09:38 AM.
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