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Old 02-15-2021, 02:10 AM   #26
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Re: *** 2021 HSNL March Madness Squares Pool ***

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Old 02-15-2021, 07:41 AM   #27
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Old 02-16-2021, 11:23 AM   #28
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Old 02-16-2021, 12:46 PM   #29
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Proposed Rule Change: I'd like to pay out 100% of the funds in this pool, regardless of forfeits or cancellations.

Example: Duke backcourt gets COVID (one time!) and forfeit their sweet 16 game. We'd evenly divide that games winnings to the other seven games in the round.

Would love to hear feedback or suggestions. Issuing a zillion refunds last year with no sweat was a soulcrush.

If we make a new rule change, I'll post here in the thread and give everyone three days to withdraw before locking the pool. If the tournament is cancelled before even a single tip, we obv give all the monies back.

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Squares update: Getting close, there's a handful of squares left. If you want squares after this fills up, go ahead and send xfer. If you're a reg you'll make this pool, newer guys will get bumped to the second chance pool.

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3 square, out of town, will send monday
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Or this one.

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kkc! been a long time
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Old 02-16-2021, 01:01 PM   #30
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PM sent (trying to pay $300 on venmo, asking me for the last 4 digits of your phone #).

edit: nevermind. just saw i could send without verifying. $300 sent via venmo for 1 square, following up with another DM with my name on venmo.

thx for doing this.

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Old 02-16-2021, 01:33 PM   #31
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Proposed Rule Change: I'd like to pay out 100% of the funds in this pool, regardless of forfeits or cancellations.

Example: Duke backcourt gets COVID (one time!) and forfeit their sweet 16 game. We'd evenly divide that games winnings to the other seven games in the round.

Would love to hear feedback or suggestions. Issuing a zillion refunds last year with no sweat was a soulcrush.

If we make a new rule change, I'll post here in the thread and give everyone three days to withdraw before locking the pool. If the tournament is cancelled before even a single tip, we obv give all the monies back.
Hopefully the tournament will go off without a hitch, but we should plan for this type of event.

Option #1: distribute the missing games payouts as a refund each player of amt*(n/100) (where n is their # of squares) for cancelled games' payouts.

Option #2: according to wikipedia, a forfeit is officially a 2-0 win. Give the payout to that square.

Those ideas seem demonstrably worse than what admo suggests. Too much hassle for too little benefit in the first, too weak in the second. But, I'll throw them out for the crowd.

There are also a couple of super-unlikely cases that I'll raise:
  • Cancel the rest of the tournament after some has been played
  • Cancel the national championship (i.e., no other games to distribute to)

I don't think either of these are very likely, I'll let the group decide if they are worth raising.

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Old 02-16-2021, 01:40 PM   #32
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Roll over to whatever the next game in the bracket that gets cancelled.

Ie the Duke s16 cancelled. Whatever game is elite 8 on that bracket line gets paid both s16 and E8. Keeps numbers even added sweat for a certain game etc.
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:46 PM   #33
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im in for 1

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Old 02-16-2021, 03:10 PM   #34
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will take 10 squares if available. Let me know and will send venmo. thanks
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Old 02-16-2021, 03:26 PM   #35
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Sent $600 for 2 more (4 total) with Venmo
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Old 02-16-2021, 03:29 PM   #36
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Old 02-16-2021, 03:38 PM   #37
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Old 02-16-2021, 03:47 PM   #38
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Another option is pooling any canceled games into a Lucky Loser pool and distributing to people who don't hit anything. That seems like an awful lot of extra work for you though. I like homanga's idea too. And yours, admo.

I'm officially good with anything that you decide admo, you have my proxy vote for whatever you think is best.
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Old 02-16-2021, 04:03 PM   #39
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ill take 4 squares pls if still available
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Old 02-16-2021, 04:15 PM   #40
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Option #1: distribute the missing games payouts as a refund each player of amt*(n/100) (where n is their # of squares) for cancelled games' payouts.
Hate this. Tying to avoid paying the whole ******* field again.

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Option #2: according to wikipedia, a forfeit is officially a 2-0 win. Give the payout to that square.
No. That's like drawing 0,0 in a foots pool. Sweats should be fresh, not pre-determined.

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Cancel the rest of the tournament after some has been played
Under my proposal all cancelled games are distributed laterally to winners if in the same round, or downstream to winners if whole tiers of rounds get cancelled. Later round game winners get more than earlier round game winners proportionally. I'll spell this out in proposed change.


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Roll over to whatever the next game in the bracket that gets cancelled.

Ie the Duke s16 cancelled. Whatever game is elite 8 on that bracket line gets paid both s16 and E8. Keeps numbers even added sweat for a certain game etc.
Kinda like this for rollovers. Still need to account for rollbacks.

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Another option is pooling any canceled games into a Lucky Loser pool and distributing to people who don't hit anything.
Never. March is about pain, suffering, and the gut punch of going 0-fer after whiffing all 10 of your squares. (hi chris!)

If we get robbed of the tournament this year, best case scenario is exactly one game gets played on Thursday morning and the rest get cancelled. One winner gets $30K, rest of us kick rocks
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Old 02-16-2021, 05:37 PM   #41
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Update: this pool is closed.

Plenty of squares still available in the Second Chance Squares Pool.

Most of the new guys and all of the guys who haven't shipped escrow yet got bumped to this second pool. Check the "PAID" listing in the OP graphic to see which pool you're in.

Important: I'll post a rules change once we settle on how to handle any games that don't run. Everyone will have three days to withdraw if you're not feeling it.

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Old 02-16-2021, 05:52 PM   #42
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Old 02-16-2021, 06:31 PM   #43
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Forfeit of game rolls over to halftime score on next game played. Added sweat but doesn’t add to final score sweat?
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Old 02-17-2021, 08:51 AM   #44
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admo,

i like this proposal, consider it my vote

Example: Duke backcourt gets COVID (one time!) and forfeit their sweet 16 game. We'd evenly divide that games winnings to the other seven games in the round.
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Old 02-17-2021, 11:09 AM   #45
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Forfeit of game rolls over to halftime score on next game played. Added sweat but doesn’t add to final score sweat?
Added sweat... clutch.

I'll gin up a proposal by weekend, and then we'll scramble pool by end of next week after everyone's had a chance to agree/bail. Hate planning for this but it'd miserable if we didn't have a plan and end up refunding every square $18 b/c Zags celebrate F4 appearance by going to da club.
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Old 02-20-2021, 05:04 PM   #46
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Old 02-22-2021, 02:38 PM   #47
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Anything is better than issuing partial refunds to everyone. Not just for Admo's sake but for the spirit of the pool. Anything that has a sweat, keeps things 0EV, and doesn't disproportionately distribute to a small number of squares (i.e., 0,2 2,0) has my full support!
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Old 02-25-2021, 02:40 PM   #48
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Added to OP, hope the language is clear.

Everyone in the pool has 48 hours to request a refund if you don't agree to this rules change. After 48 hours, we'll scramble the grid and pick squares.

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RULES ADDENDUM FOR FORFEITS OR CANCELLATIONS
  1. If a single game is cancelled or forfeited, that game's payout will be awarded on the next game upstream in that branch of the bracket. Payout will be based on the halftime score instead of final score.
  2. If the tournament gets cancelled mid-round, all remaining payouts will be evenly distributed to game winners in that current round of the tournament.
  3. If the tournament gets cancelled in between rounds, all remaining payouts will be evenly distributed to game winners in the previous round of the tournament.
  4. If the tournament gets cancelled before starting, all entries will be refunded.

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Old 02-25-2021, 03:43 PM   #49
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Seems clear, fair, and not a huge burden (I hope) to administer. I'm still in.

Thanks for taking input, thinking through the scenarios, and coming up with this, Admo.
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Old 02-25-2021, 09:06 PM   #50
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