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02-01-2019 , 01:33 AM
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
UTG ($41.17) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($26.45) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($24.17) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($25.44) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($28.39) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($47.42) [VPIP: 24.2% | PFR: 21.1% | AGG: 32.8% | 3-Bet: 14.6% | Hands: 72063]

Dealt to Hero: Q 8

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.75, HERO Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [18.43 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 8 Q 2
SB Bets $0.75, HERO Calls $0.75

Turn ($3.00): 8 Q 2 5
SB Checks, HERO Bets $2, SB Calls $2

River ($7.00): 8 Q 2 5 6
SB Checks, HERO Bets $4.50, SB Raises To $14.75, HERO ?
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02-01-2019 , 04:17 AM
overbet turn, and relatively easy fold river imo
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02-01-2019 , 04:22 AM
^^
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02-01-2019 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
overbet turn, and relatively easy fold river imo
I’m villain again! I’ll post results from point of view a little later.
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02-01-2019 , 08:35 AM
sneaky DD, the river terror
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02-01-2019 , 08:47 AM
I think I'd call and expect to see Adx overbluffing this spot.
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02-01-2019 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BornToRun
I think I'd call and expect to see Adx overbluffing this spot.
That was my initial thought, but bb is uncapped and its not like sb has a ton of Ad by the river. Maybe though, people end up cbetting A high bdfd too often, that for sure could be the case meaning he'd have less flushes, but overall a weaker range full of 8x, 99, TT more incentivised to bluff

Its closer than I made it out to be, but I just think the overall bluff frequency vs. uncapped range isn't high enough

I think BB sizing is on the weaker side though which im sure increased DooDoo's bluffing frequency. Also imma try guess DD hand - Kx8d
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02-01-2019 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BornToRun
I think I'd call and expect to see Adx overbluffing this spot.
How much does your calling range shrink if the river was shoved? Or does it just pretty much remain the same?

Current pot is $10.25 into $36.75 = ~28%

or

River shove pot would be $20.39 into $56.78 = ~36%

I always feel like ranges in these situations are pretty inelastic - but would Q8s drop out if the river was shoved?
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02-01-2019 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
That was my initial thought, but bb is uncapped and its not like sb has a ton of Ad by the river. Maybe though, people end up cbetting A high bdfd too often, that for sure could be the case meaning he'd have less flushes, but overall a weaker range full of 8x, 99, TT more incentivised to bluff

Its closer than I made it out to be, but I just think the overall bluff frequency vs. uncapped range isn't high enough

I think BB sizing is on the weaker side though which im sure increased DooDoo's bluffing frequency. Also imma try guess DD hand - Kx8d
lol why can't it be value?
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02-01-2019 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
How much does your calling range shrink if the river was shoved? Or does it just pretty much remain the same?



Current pot is $10.25 into $36.75 = ~28%



or



River shove pot would be $20.39 into $56.78 = ~36%



I always feel like ranges in these situations are pretty inelastic - but would Q8s drop out if the river was shoved?
In game I doubt I make the adjustment, but theoretically it obviously will change our calling range.

Edit. I like K8, I'm going Ad2.
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02-01-2019 , 09:13 AM
You guys give me way too much credit. Those are both better bluffing hands then this one. Donkey move?

Also thoughts on turn x/c?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
UTG ($41.17) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($26.45) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($24.17) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($25.44) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($28.39) [VPIP: 24.2% | PFR: 21.1% | AGG: 32.8% | 3-Bet: 14.6% | Hands: 72365]
BB ($47.42) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: 3 3

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, BB Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [18.43 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 8 Q 2
HERO Bets $0.75 (Rem. Stack: 26.89), BB Calls $0.75 (Rem. Stack: 45.92)

Turn ($3.00): 8 Q 2 5
HERO Checks, BB Bets $2 (Rem. Stack: 43.92), HERO Calls $2 (Rem. Stack: 24.89)

River ($7.00): 8 Q 2 5 6
HERO Checks, BB Bets $4.50 (Rem. Stack: 39.42), HERO Raises To $14.75 (Rem. Stack: 10.14), BB Calls $10.25 (Rem. Stack: 29.17)

Spoiler:

BB shows: Q 8

BB wins: $34.68
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02-01-2019 , 09:55 AM
A 6d and 7d would be the best rivers to bluff by the way the hand developed, so:
1 - yes, i think that you have better hands to bluff there in your range. 33 have pretty good SD value in many situations.
2 - this river is 1 of the 2 best rivers you have to bluff, so even if you bluff an A5, K6, an maybe even an 78o here I think it wouldn't be wrong at all. Nice spot. Nice river shove. You would made a lot of good players and tight recs fold here.
3 - The real mistake isn't the river. I don't like this call Turn.
On turn you have 2 better options than XC: (a) Betting small for thin value, blockign and protection [$1], and (b) X/F.
I'm pretty sure you will be behind like 80% on this turn and you got no potodds at all to call this 2/3 bet.
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02-01-2019 , 08:21 PM
What I don't understand, is *why* you do bluffs with close to no equity? Like you'll start bluffing w/ a low equity hand and continue with it. It's not that I don't think you should bluff sometimes but that you seeming always pick the lowest equity bluffs almost at random. It's that randomness while completely readless that make no sense to me. Will they get through sometimes? Sure, but I never understand the more important *why* of any of it in any of these hands.
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02-01-2019 , 09:37 PM
I'm pretty sticky with hands that could be beating value hands. Unless there's 4 to a flush/straight board, I'm basically never folding top two, and it's worked out well for me. Ranges are wide, decent amount of Qx two pairs, and random spazz Qx hands and air

Seems like a pretty easy fold OTT with 33 to me. I either x flop or bet smaller. We have a ton of hands that want to bluff here OTR, and very little value. Bluffing with just Ad hands should be enough

Last edited by JohnRusty; 02-01-2019 at 09:51 PM.
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02-01-2019 , 10:14 PM
How does this thread go from an easy fold to now everyone is calling? I’d call too with Q8 but it’s funny.
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02-01-2019 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
I'm pretty sticky with hands that could be beating value hands. Unless there's 4 to a flush/straight board, I'm basically never folding top two, and it's worked out well for me. Ranges are wide, decent amount of Qx two pairs, and random spazz Qx hands and air

Seems like a pretty easy fold OTT with 33 to me. I either x flop or bet smaller. We have a ton of hands that want to bluff here OTR, and very little value. Bluffing with just Ad hands should be enough
Oh that was you? Lol NH
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02-02-2019 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
What I don't understand, is *why* you do bluffs with close to no equity? Like you'll start bluffing w/ a low equity hand and continue with it. It's not that I don't think you should bluff sometimes but that you seeming always pick the lowest equity bluffs almost at random. It's that randomness while completely readless that make no sense to me. Will they get through sometimes? Sure, but I never understand the more important *why* of any of it in any of these hands.
this might have been asked in a different stack punt thread of his, but does DOO DOO have an idea of how many bluffs vs value combos he's using? It looks like he leans on bluffs too often on the river
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02-02-2019 , 02:45 AM
This spot is super underbluffed in micro pools, so it might actually be +EV

Turn call is a bigger mistake imo
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02-02-2019 , 02:49 AM
Allin
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02-02-2019 , 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
How does this thread go from an easy fold to now everyone is calling? I’d call too with Q8 but it’s funny.
You showed result.
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02-02-2019 , 10:04 AM
Flop fine, turn is really bad call, have way better hands to be check calling here. River garbage. The idea is good but your blockers are fairly useless and you're just clicking buttons. Rather block a better diamond to do this with.

Most villains in uNL don't bet thin enough either so most are gonna check back unimproved top pairs making this line even worse.
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02-02-2019 , 10:11 AM
Turn seems really bad.
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02-02-2019 , 08:40 PM
DooDoo could be a poker-god in the future, he has the balls to make this spewy moves for full stacks, he is fearless, and really creative!!

On the flop we(DooDoo) bet 1/2 pot, it was bigger than the STD size, so I think that opponent's floating range must have been stronger, pairs, higher floats, gs-s, so I think that he would have had to fold weaker floats like 4c-3c; 7c-5c, etc. But it's just mine opinion, it's not a barrel-happy board, so maybe he could float widely against this bigger cbet size too.

I think that the 5d turn was blanky, so we were still ahead against his flop calling range(if we would have bet 35%, then I could say it more bravely). So I don't think that our call on the turn was so bad. Why do you think this way guys? Because there could be too many bad cards for us on the river??

As I wrote I would choose a smaller cbet-size(around 35%), because I would want to keep his flop calling range wider. On the turn we could tvbet against fishies, but against regs it was'nt the best move. As we played, we did represent what we had, a weaker SD-value. Our range's top was 8-s, we could have pairs, and A-K high sd-value-s. I think that we just can't give up always with our weaker SD-values oop on the turn, because of the scarier board, but it's just my feeling, I could be wrong. On rivers: A, Q, 8, 2, 3, 5, 4, 6, 7 we could be good. 9-10-J-K -s would be bad for us, out of question. My plan would be to bluffcatch on blanky-good rivers for us.
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02-02-2019 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by csabitoavegtelen
So I don't think that our call on the turn was so bad. Why do you think this way guys? Because there could be too many bad cards for us on the river??
These guys aren't aggressive so their bets mean something. Yes, bad rivers are part of it. Also having 5% when behind and the threat of facing two barrels. Adding all that up seems like an easy fold.
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02-02-2019 , 09:07 PM
Q8s well played. 33, not so much.

I mean yeah, you block Ad3d and 43s, but still, when BB calls flop then bets turn after you x, AND bets river when diamonds come in, trying to bluff that line is pretty suicidal imho regardless of the playing field. If I were going to bluff, it's going to be AI and I would probably pick a hand like AdX. I think you're one of the few who would bet flop and xc turn with the BDNFD, and therefore I think you can x shove the nuts otr. Get paid DooDoo.
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