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200NL ACR -  FD in awkward turn spot 200NL ACR -  FD in awkward turn spot

08-19-2018 , 04:59 PM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 126.42 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.81, 3Bet Preflop: 6.38, Hands: 234)
MP: 42.06 BB (VPIP: 46.88, PFR: 21.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.39, PFR: 14.93, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 67)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 34.25, PFR: 24.10, 3Bet Preflop: 8.58, Hands: 602)
Hero (SB): 323.21 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.84, PFR: 20.74, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 367)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 7

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 3 players) 3 5 3
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, BB calls 3 BB

Turn: (15 BB, 3 players) J
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 47.25 BB, fold, BTN calls 36.25 BB

River: (109.5 BB, 2 players) 9
[color=red]Hero ?

BTN and I had a bit of a dynamic here and had been playing aggressively back and forth quite a bit over the previous couple days or so. He's pretty aggro, and can get really bluffy, and I've been able to call him down light on several occasions.

He also knows that I can be really aggressive in spots as well. I think my play against him has been relatively balanced on the whole, but that has definitely included some bluffs which he has seen.

I'd been 3betting him a relatively high %, and he is capable of 4betting wide so I decided to just flat here and try to see a flop pre.

BB in the hand is also a reg who seems to play relatively solid and isn't particularly aggressive.

Thought about x/raising the flop here, but decided to call instead getting good odds.

Wasn't sure how to play the turn. Wasn't getting quite good enough odds to call and not closing the action, and folding felt weak. I have A3s, 55 and 33 in my range, all of which could have check/called flop pretty reasonably so it felt like a decent spot to bluff. I'm not flatting the SB that wide, so I don't think I'm at too much risk for overbluffing here. 76, 87, 98 and T9 are my bluff candidates since I'm x/calling JT/QJ/KJ/AdXd and 3betting KdQd pre.

Problem is that the SPR was pretty awkward for a raise. Ended up going with a pot-sized raise, which left only 0.5 PSB behind. Maybe I should've overbet?

Thoughts on the line?

Last edited by poloplaya1414; 08-19-2018 at 05:13 PM.
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08-20-2018 , 01:33 AM
what does your sb flatting range look like lol


you will get murdered flatting here imo, mr aggressive. 3b pre.
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08-20-2018 , 05:40 AM
I don’t have a super wide flatting range in the SB and against some players I would 3bet/fold, but against an aggressive player who is likely to 4bet a wide range, I think suited connectors 76s-QJs, small pairs 22-77, suited Aces A2s-A9s, QTs, KTs play better as a flat. Even if BB comes along, we don’t really mind with these hands, and we can call a squeeze too if BTN comes along.
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08-20-2018 , 09:09 PM
Pre is fine but slightly non standard.


Turn is just a fold.
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08-22-2018 , 04:13 PM
What do we bluff here with on the turn? Do we only bluff stronger draws?

Or do we just not have a x/raising range on turn and only x/call our nutted hands?
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08-22-2018 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lnternet
Pre is fine but slightly non standard.


Turn is just a fold.
This. Also if you were going to bluff should have done it on the flop.

What nutted hands do you have here?? I mean if you somehow have A3ss I guess you can just minraise and tilt everyone.
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08-22-2018 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Loading....
This. Also if you were going to bluff should have done it on the flop.

What nutted hands do you have here?? I mean if you somehow have A3ss I guess you can just minraise and tilt everyone.
I said in my post... Why can't we have 33/55/A3s here? Obviously that's only 6 combos, so we shouldn't be bluffing many combos either, but why wouldn't we take a handful of FD combos and bluff?
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08-23-2018 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
I said in my post... Why can't we have 33/55/A3s here? Obviously that's only 6 combos, so we shouldn't be bluffing many combos either, but why wouldn't we take a handful of FD combos and bluff?
Playing devils advocate, why would you ever raise so big on the turn with 33 or 55 when your opponent hasn't shown an incredible amount of strength? At best he has an overpair, and maybe not even a big one. A3 is a small possiltiy, trying to deny equity, and build a big pot, no reason you can't have that, but, especially if opponent has a nut flush draw thats a limited amount of combos, whnen you have so many more draws in this spot. The big raise looks like a lone 3, or a flush draw, possibily with a straight draw mixed in.
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08-23-2018 , 01:39 PM
I guess the reason being that you didn't raise the flop, just makes it that much less credible to rep the turn. Plus if he actually has a hand like overpair I just think he's gonna call down and figure if you have quads then you have quads...
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08-23-2018 , 01:48 PM
I think I would x/call flop with my monsters since equity denial doesn't really matter and we can induce a call from the BB but I see what you're saying.

Should we be x/raising the flop then?
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08-24-2018 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
I said in my post... Why can't we have 33/55/A3s here? Obviously that's only 6 combos, so we shouldn't be bluffing many combos either, but why wouldn't we take a handful of FD combos and bluff?

That's certainly correct but 87dd is just too weak for bluffs. You can bluff a combo draw like 76dd or one with at least 1 overcard to the J. But you can't bluff such a terrible FD like 87dd, it's just too weak.
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08-25-2018 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
I think I would x/call flop with my monsters since equity denial doesn't really matter and we can induce a call from the BB but I see what you're saying.

Should we be x/raising the flop then?
Problem with check/calling the flop strong is that I don't expect it to be a board the button will necessarily want to barrel often vs sb. So I think check/minraise plays very well for us with all our good hands including this one. This will insure that we get 3 full streets from his medium pairs like 66-TT which he might check back on a lot of turns. Just in general taking initiative is tremendously good unless the board strongly favors villains range.
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