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Hand 1:

Very first hand at full 9-handed 5/10 NL table and it's a bomb pot. Everyone puts in 40 dollars, bring pot to ~$360. I have full buyin of 1k as does nearly every player at the table.

I'm on the button and have Ako

Board = 3 J K rainbow.

Checked around to me. Action: ch/b and if b, how much?

Hand 2:

Same 5/10 NL table.

Hero SB: AQsd $1261
Villain Button: $1800
Big Blind Short stack: $460

Folds around to button who raises $28
Hero (me) raises to $78
Big Blind cold calls $78
Button calls raise to $78

Pot ~220 Board = Ah 7d 10c

HERO checks
BB goes allin (!) for 380
Button tanks for 30 seconds and makes call.
HERO: ????

I realize the Bomb pot is something that might be more MATHS than anything. I've only been recently playing them and it seems everyone has their own strategy. I think betting into 8 opponents who all check is weird but they also have to all put me on something strong since I'm betting into 8 f'n opponents.

I think all 2 pairs here fold btw. If i'm raised at all it has to be a set and I can throw away easily. Just need to know sizing wrt pot when opening a bomb pot.

Hand 2, I'm literally clueless with action as pre-raising button's flop stone shove call from BB screams A-J. With BB stone calling my raise, Button would have surely 4 bet w/A-K. No idea how Button plays 10-10 in this scenario but he could have easily 4-bet that hand as well.

Hand 1: Bet $225

Hand 2: Fold

Hand 1:

Why 225? Who/what would call me with worse? Remember it's a bomb pot and 8 others have seen the flop with no prior action.

Hand 2: Why fold? What could I possibly be up against?

1:Its a BOMB pot, people playing all kind of junk. U have TOP TOP, what am i missing here????

2: Ask yourself a question, what do you beat in a 3bet pot with 2 all ins...???

It's a bomb pot and there are 8 other players in the hand who could be ch/raising with two pair or sets. This happens nearly half of every bomb pot I've played in now (getting experienced). I've seen set over set several times and two vs sets. From my small sample now of playing them, anyone who calls an open has at least two pair or EQ to draw to the nuts. So like I said, with the limited bomb strategy that I posses, TOP TOP seems to be more a bluff of two pair or better than the actual strength of just one pair itself.

I have and that's what I'm asking the community here. I don't put anyone on AK as the short stack would have shoved and the button would have easily 4 bet. It's possible that the BB has 10-10 for a set and the button calling with A-x leaves me with a profitable shove for a sidepot.

So from what I deduce, the BB probably has A-J, A-x, and possibly sets, but most likely I'm ahead of him. The button's range is wide IMO and him smooth calling a shove with me behind is confusing. IMO there's a small chance he has 7-7, A-10 and everything else I beat (or tie if he flatted a-q). Is calling here really -EV then? If I can't continue with A-Q in a Button vs blinds scenario, am I playing too tight?

TLDR; If this is an easy fold or shove either way, I need to understand why

No one is folding KJ in that bomb pot.

Oh really, then why didn't they bet it?

Hand 1: I’m betting $150. 2 pairs generally lead at least in the games I play on a single board. Since we are in position I’m betting to protect my equity.

Yeah, I like this. I've been playing them even more since the OP and comments, and have a better feel. It's pretty obvious any raise though we're folding so 1/3 pot sounds about right.

Agreed.

We must play in completely different 5/10 games. Where I've been playing recently has bomb pots and I regularly see others c/c down with these type of hands.

you should bet the button in a bomb pot 100% of the time when it's checked to you. your cards don't matter, good thing you actually have a hand

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: KcTs3h
Equity Win Tie
UTG 7.42% 6.74% 0.67% { random }
UTG+1 7.71% 7.00% 0.70% { random }
UTG+2 7.43% 6.77% 0.67% { random }
MP1 7.63% 6.93% 0.70% { random }
MP2 7.28% 6.60% 0.68% { random }
MP3 7.31% 6.62% 0.69% { random }
CO 7.37% 6.72% 0.66% { random }
BU 7.46% 6.78% 0.68% { random }
SB 7.55% 6.88% 0.68% { random }
BB 32.83% 31.22% 1.61% { AdKh }

Each player has 2pr+ or AA 2.9% of the time.
97.1^9 = 0.76731390635

So we have the best hand on the flop 77% of the time.

Villains will have top pair around 7%, oesd 1.5%, gutshot 5%.

Best play is going to bet fold as much as Kx is going to call and fold vs anyone besides a psycho turning most gutshots and some middle/bottom pairs into bluffs.

For the bomb post, just so you understand value of your hand, if you 2.5x pot jammed the flop pretty confident that is slightly +EV. Not saying you should do that (or ever use that size on this texture), but top top is still pretty strong even vs. 8 ranges and factoring in they checked to you, and people will (/should) call you with worse than AK.

Would sometimes check but would mainly bet here and would use small size on a rainbow board, I think $120 is fine, like you don't need to make people pay to draw when only draw with more than 4 outs is QT.

Vs. raise I would mainly fold but depends on opponent.