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02-05-2020 , 07:18 PM
900 Effective
Hero -- BB
Villain -- Button (Solid Aggressive / Loose Player)

MP1 - Raises to 40 - Solid Player
MP2 - Calls 40 - Medium Strength Player
Cut Off - Calls 40 - Weak Player - Already paid off a front door flush
Button - Calls 40 - Strongest Player at the table...also lots of 3 Betting
BB - sitting on KK

My thoughts prior to raising...what can I raise to and still get a caller:

Player Profile:
MP1 - still uncapped
MP2 - dead money, most likely will fold to aggression
Cut Off - would love a call or a re-raise...very unlikely the player would flat with AA..probably will fold to aggression
Button - Smart, thinking player...lots of 3 bets...3 Bet Range - AA-99 AKs-AJs KQs A5s, 98s-56s - wide range for the game

Pot is $167 - prior to raising
-Hero 3 Bets to 165 w/ KcKs from the Big Bling
MP1 - folds
MP2 - folds
Cut Off - folds
Button - thinks for awhile and calls 125 more (2.76:1)

Pot is now $452
Hero SPR: 1.54 and willing to get it in...

Thoughts...
What board flop would slow me down...

I'm giving the Villain on the Button the following range...
AA - 1 combo ... although every shown 3 bet has been strong hands, but I'll still give him one AA flatting combo
KK- 1 combo
QQ - 6 combos (I'm giving the player all 6 but there may be some frequency where the Villain 4 bets QQ)
JJ - 6 combos
TT - 6 combos
AKs - 2 combos (I think the villan will raise half the time with suited AKs)
AKx - 12 combos

With this range if the board brings 2 Broadway cards except for a K...I will slow down...too much of the board would be hitting the villain's flatting range...otherwise...you could make a case for slowing down on the A but this Villain is not afraid to make a big overbet bluff

Flop:
10c 6s 3h

I lead out with less than a half pot to $200...I'm trying to keep in the QQ/JJ/maybe a couple of combos of AK - the AKd or the AKh

Villain - is now faced with calling $200 into a pot of $652 3.26-1

Villain goes all in .... leaving Hero left with $335 to call $1187 3.54-1

I think of the combos that I'm behind - 1 combo of AA and 3 combos of TT
Ahead of 6 combos of QQ / 6 combos of JJ and I'll give him 1 combo of AKs because the villain is capable of bluffing

Behind 4 combos

Ahead of 13 combos but I'm going to reduce it down to 10...I think only half the time he'll put me all in with JJ...and even if we remove all of the JJ..that brings it down with 7

Behind 4 and Ahead 7 on the most conservative side..

There should be no two pair combos in this range with $900 effective stack on this 10/6/3 rainbow flop...


After quickly thinking about his pre-flop range I call...

He flips over 63s...for two pair...said he was sorry, wanted to gamble and gave him too good of a price to call on the flop.

Run-out -- blank, blank... I put a nice bow on the stack, ship it over federal express and told the villain congrats with a big smile...


Feedback:
What do you think about my hand analysis?

How would you have broken down the villains range?

Did you like my thought process?

Do you think I gave the villain too good of a price to call with $900 effective starting stack?

What would you have done differently?

Ok...blow me up...very open to constructive criticism

Have an amazing day!!!
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02-06-2020 , 12:34 PM
Your 3-bet is way, way too small. Should be making it at least $250. Also, is there a straddle or is the dude just straight opening 8x? Because if so, MP1 8x'd it and then folded to a tiny 3-bet--in other words he is not a remotely solid player.
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02-06-2020 , 04:43 PM
TheToastrOven
Thank you for taking time and providing feedback

MP1 - Fair statement...he had been making solid plays up to that point - 3 Betting, continuation bets when it his range and checking when it missed...peel some turned...checked raised

On the sizing...I don't disagree that my sizing could have been $250

Why do you think I'm giving too good of a price?
I'm trying to induce a call (at the same time I don't want everyone calling)...

Thoughts?
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02-06-2020 , 08:09 PM
You really messed up with your A) pre-flop bet-sizing and also B) the range you put villain on.

A)

Pot will be $200 when you put your $40 in, you want to price out hands like 22>88 and tough-to-see draw hands like 45s/56s/67s/78s/89s/J10s.

I would have made it like $250 just as TheToastrOven advised; now pot is $450 and they have to call $250 so they aren't even getting 2:1 on their call. This means they can really only call you with AK/AQ and JJ>99.

B)

MP raises, gets two callers, and the button flats - this means he never has AA/KK/QQ/JJ or AK (maybe every now and then a player gets tricky and flats here with AK/JJ but I really don't see it). He's the "strongest player at the table who loves to 3-bet" (your own words) and yet he's not 3-betting on the button in a perfect spot to do so with a big hand?

Based on your sizing his range could literally be anything, aggressive players that love action will call 3-bets in position just for the bluff-value.
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02-09-2020 , 09:14 PM
As SocraticGambler said, open size of 8x is way too big.
IMO weak players will oversize their open with the top of their range to build a pot but not to fold to a 3b especially after 3 callers and so much dead money ..
The strongest player who loves to 3b double over calls instead of 3 betting which seems to me that spot would widen his 3b range, but since he called and then called your 3b he's heavily weighted towards medium value hands and junk..
I think you should of sized your 3b a little larger giving worse odds to call and narrowing their range BUT I think you sized it that way bc you had their ranges smashed and wanted them to call..
Problem is that once it folds to Btn he will call with 100% of hands he previously called with.
Maybe I just should of agreed with TheToastrOven and SocraticGambler instead of pretty much saying the same thing...

(I apologize if I made a garbage post, I just joined and this is my second.. Any advice anyone has for me would be appreciated as well )
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02-09-2020 , 10:53 PM
Ignore all the advice itt op you played the hand just fine and probably pretty close to optimally
Your thinking is fine nh
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02-11-2020 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Ignore all the advice itt op you played the hand just fine and probably pretty close to optimally
Your thinking is fine nh
Do you really think its optimal thinking by putting the villain on such a narrow range since pre-flop?

I second the fact that since villain on the button is a solid player he's definitely flatting hero's 3b with almost ANYTHING here with a rather uncapped range.

I personally wouldn't nitpick on the 3b sizing preflop but definitely leaning towards a bigger 3b sizing myself.

With how it played out, GII either flop/turn is fine and rather unavoidable. Only thing you can do is adapt to future hands against villain.
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02-12-2020 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Ignore all the advice itt op you played the hand just fine and probably pretty close to optimally
Your thinking is fine nh
man you must be a millionaire!
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02-21-2020 , 01:50 PM
Your sizing screams big pair. If you squeezed with 9 10 suited or ace x suited it would be bigger bet. Think you gave your opponent the price to stack you. I would re-evaluate the hand and build your own squeezing range and determine what the squeeze size should be on weaker hands and make sure your squeeze size is consistent. Now, when you reevaluate it, you might determine that not getting a squeeze through is fine with 10 9 is acceptable as you win with a bet on flop most of time. I would rather see you develop a consistent squeeze strategy.
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02-21-2020 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
Ignore all the advice itt op you played the hand just fine and probably pretty close to optimally
Your thinking is fine nh
yea awesome "optimal" thinking that the button villain (a good player who loves to 3bet) flat called an 8x open after 3 other players cold called with a premium hand. Thats absurd.

OP, I think you played it fine except for the 3bet pre. Going 4x there is way way too small. I think it needs to be 200 at least but 240, 250 would be best IMO. Itd make the rest of hand easier to play too.

As played its hard to do anything else but with no draws out there at all this shove has to be basically air. I dont think anyone is doing this with one pair. If you can correctly eliminate JJ-AA, unless hes a maniac whod do this with A10, I like betting a little smaller on the flop and maybe getting away from it. At 5/10 or online I think you have to pay this off since those players are enerally more capable of doing this stuff without a hand, but at 2/5 live I just dont see this play ever that isnt 2 pair or better.
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03-02-2020 , 05:24 PM
SPR 1 OTF nothing u could do with KK even if the board comes AAA and he flopped quads. I prob woulda made it $165 also PF... you want action on your Kings IMO since you’ll be crushing everything but AA... raising to $250 would presumably fold out everyone without AA, AK, and QQ. But then again I’m a break even player so if others say $250 maybe it’s $250 especially against 4 ppl.

Just got unlucky is all. Even the V told you sorry lol... he knows it was a bad call PF and that you played it well.

Last edited by boobsnlubes007; 03-02-2020 at 05:31 PM.
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03-04-2020 , 02:04 PM
When OOP I don't want to give the 1st caller more than 1.25:1 on his money. Too many players behind to try & "make money" on your KK.

You win less money OOP than you do IP & you lose more money OOP than you do IP. That's life at the poker table.
Since MP1's range is uncapped & you don't think he would 4! with <AA, I would raise to 2.5x the pot, which gives MP1 1.15:1 on his money. You're still going to have to call if he ships it though...unless you soul read him for AA & are certain your read is never, ever wrong....

Now when it folds to BU, if he wants to gamble it up with 63o, buy him a drink & pray he never leaves!

OTF [as played] I betting 60% - 65% pot. He's calling with a paired card & 5 outs to the Turn.

If he didn't flop 2 pair & he calls, ship it OTT no matter what the card is....unless it's an ace & you can soul read him 100% of the time for a turned 2 pair......
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03-22-2020 , 09:09 PM
I'd be snapping it off anyway.
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03-23-2020 , 12:16 AM
You were in a dream spot... You had the effective nuts on that board. If your beat you just have to simply see it.

Probably should of 3 bet bigger to disguise your entire range which will have some bluffs that benefit nicely from the added fold equity. $240 seems good to me. 3x + 1x per limper.

the 8x open is pretty absurd, if he folded to your 3bet I'm assuming he had AQ or 99-JJ. So I would start 3 betting him a lot more to punish his face up raises if he doesn't open that big with premiums.
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05-03-2020 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SocraticGambler
You really messed up with your A) pre-flop bet-sizing and also B) the range you put villain on.

A)

Pot will be $200 when you put your $40 in, you want to price out hands like 22>88 and tough-to-see draw hands like 45s/56s/67s/78s/89s/J10s.


B)

MP raises, gets two callers, and the button flats - this means he never has AA/KK/QQ/JJ or AK (maybe every now and then a player gets tricky and flats here with AK/JJ but I really don't see it). He's the "strongest player at the table who loves to 3-bet" (your own words) and yet he's not 3-betting on the button in a perfect spot to do so with a big hand?
Fully agree with these points. You're OOP and see a large open to $40 and 3 flats behind. You should be happy to scoop this up now or play against 1 opponent at most. No problem to bump it up big. The 3 callers behind cap their range so none of these guys will ever flat there with JJ+/AKs. Ever. Especially the button. Seeing that board and his shove made me think 66/33 most likely holdings since he was given such a good price pre-flop to close out the action, and that he could've put you on an overpair to call him down. 63s is a little funny but can fit the skill profile you painted and his position/the action.
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