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Old 08-19-2017, 05:15 PM   #1
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2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

CO ($400)
Hero (BTN) ($400.00)
SB ($400.00)
BB ($240)

SB seems to be a reg but we have no relevant history. I wasn't sure what to make of his small flop raise sizing, but it seems like he's capped his range to some sets and maybe some traps, while i can have some higher sets, straights and flushes that can play like this. i feel like i might be overdoing it with this combo and should rather pick hands with spades instead. just give up ott?

Preflop: Hero is MP with J7
CO folds, Hero raises $8, SB calls, BB folds

Flop: ($19) 965 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $38, Hero calls

Turn: ($95) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $72, SB calls

River: ($239) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $282 and is all-in
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Old 08-20-2017, 09:22 AM   #2
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

Any info on BB and whether SB flatting range is affected by what seems to be a fishy BB?

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Old 08-20-2017, 01:22 PM   #3
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

Yeah, check back the turn without Xs seems better. It's not giving up . Checking the flop is an option with this hand (betting is fine too), because this flop is not great for your range assuming that SB is relatively tight pre.

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Old 08-22-2017, 12:45 PM   #4
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

I like your play from an exploitative stand point. When players XR flop and don't follow through on the flush turn you're rarely looking at a flush here (I think it's a good play for him to occasionally check his flushes here against aggressive opponents like yourself). When the spade hits and he doesn't bet he is absolutely hating his life with sets, possibly some suited connectors, and the occasional A-xhh or broadway hh with BDFD and overs that turned the T. Tough being him facing bet/jam. I'm not saying he will fold every time, but you have plenty of flushes in your range here to rep bet jam river. In general without player reads, when someone XR's me on flop and checks turn they are relatively weak.

If you want to play it safe you can do this when you block a spade. I'm going to bet jam here and if he heroes me I'll make a note, move on and probably be a little more careful against villain next time.
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Old 08-26-2017, 04:50 PM   #5
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

4 handed open J7s is thin but I'm fine with it, probably a mistake if BB has aggro 3b numbers given his shorter stack. With no relevant history or stats on V I fold on flop but given he checked to you on that turn after raising you are repping flushes and targeting his sets/straights, your line is fine just prepared to get looked up with all his sets and small flushes or flopped straights

Good flop and turn sizing (could go a little smaller on both streets), not in love with the shove on river, bet 180-190 looks stronger/more value heavy and accomplishes the same thing

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Old 08-28-2017, 03:59 PM   #6
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

agreed, shove made you look weaker than a value bet would have
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Old 09-04-2017, 12:13 PM   #7
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

why are you min-raising pre flop?
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Old 10-06-2017, 11:15 PM   #8
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

Why are you calling the flop raise?
Villain called from the SB, so he doesn't have garbage.
Check raising the flop implies he has more than one pair.

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When players XR flop and don't follow through on the flush turn you're rarely looking at a flush here
Agreed, but he is never checking to fold here.
So a bluff just seems like a spew.

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agreed, shove made you look weaker than a value bet would have
When we do not flinch on the river overcard, it announces that we made our hand on the turn.
But if the turn bet looked fishy, and Villain made that call, then I would expect him to follow through by calling the river bet too.

I only make this shove if this Villain has seen me shove with a winning hand before.

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Old 10-07-2017, 09:01 PM   #9
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

Why does the hh not show his river check?

Check turn usually, and check river a fair bit too, but totally fine to push this through from time to time.
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Old 10-09-2017, 12:58 AM   #10
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

results?
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:55 AM   #11
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results?
Results always taint the analysis. You guys end up spewing out answers like the OP should've known exactly what the V had all along and it screws the OP.

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Old 10-26-2017, 11:48 PM   #12
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

I think calling isn't very good here unless your opponent is very weak and/or very deep with you. I'd rather reraise flop than call to be honest so we can decide to jam good turn cards
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:50 PM   #13
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

I don't really like the river jam. Feels a little spewy. SB's play is weird too. Would it be better to check the river?
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Old 10-30-2017, 07:58 PM   #14
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

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Why does the hh not show his river check?

Check turn usually, and check river a fair bit too, but totally fine to push this through from time to time.
Agree!
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Old 11-01-2017, 02:07 PM   #15
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

I'd expect any hand that CR'd that flop texture, c/c the turn would snap off your river. I'd only bluff the river here if my opponent was really bad. Which plays into the second point. I wouldn't be calling the CR on the flop w/ my backdoors and hands I can rep unless I had some info on my opponent, and knew what kind of player he was. It's all wishful thinking at that point otherwise, instead of strategical poker.
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:29 AM   #16
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

I agree with donkANALysis.

Seeing as you have no relevant history with villain and he seems reggish I think the line taken was fine.

Imo if you actually had more history with the guy and assuming he was a normal reg this would not be a good river jam as he would have a better grasp of your aggro-style of play as mentioned and you including all combos of J7s means you've got a few more 7xs bluffs as well so I think this makes are value:bluffs pretty unbalanced givin the sizing on the river.

That being said we just need to tweak what combos were checking and which ones were jamming to achieve a more gto river jam when attempting a move like this again. At least in theory my analysis my be flawed as I'm a 10nl grinder.
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Old 11-15-2017, 11:57 AM   #17
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

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Old 11-17-2017, 07:55 PM   #18
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

Pre is fine.

Flop bet is fine. Fold to the raise.

Turn is fine.

River is fine.
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:39 PM   #19
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Re: 2/4 overbet jam vs capped range

You want to have a spade. I like 3betting flop better than floating, although the size is suspicious.
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