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Old 02-15-2018, 01:11 PM   #1
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1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

Villain is loose but solid reg. Very high cb 64%.
He open CO 25%. I think this range includes QTo, but not necessarily J9o.
I think there's few problems here:
- Villains draws are always combo draws
- Villain should just call the flop raise (aka. pot control) with: A-high FD and KsXs
- All hands always fastplay.
- I think it may be a mistake to stack off AA here or even J9s.

We get 33% pot odds. Thoughts?

This is tighter stack off range. Including AA would boost our equity to 38% but I don't feel too optimistic about that. Dropping off J9s decreases our equity to 27.5%.

CO 68.37% 61.59% 6.78% KK, JJ, 99, KJs, K9s, QTs, J9s, AsQs, AsTs, Ts8s, KJo, QTo
BB 31.63% 24.84% 6.78% KhJd


iPoker - €10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): €531.00
CO: €934.15 (VPIP: 30.83, PFR: 22.29, 3Bet Preflop: 11.60, Hands: 4,178)
BTN: €500.00 (VPIP: 26.80, PFR: 18.47, 3Bet Preflop: 5.42, Hands: 1,644)
SB: €505.00 (VPIP: 31.97, PFR: 23.75, 3Bet Preflop: 9.49, Hands: 27,898)

SB posts SB €5.00, Hero posts BB €10.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €15.00) Hero has J K

CO raises to €30.00, fold, fold, Hero calls €20.00

Flop: (€65.00, 2 players) 9 K J
Hero checks, CO bets €32.50, Hero raises to €150.00, CO raises to €900.00, Hero ???
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:41 PM   #2
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

I think KJ is a defend here on this flop. Villain is loose and solid. Villain should be capable of 3 betting a lot of draws. Also were not that deep - only playing 50 bbs
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Old 02-21-2018, 01:52 PM   #3
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

Value hands are the sets and worse 2p, potentially J9s. AK spades could be viable here with a decent level of equity. I'd agree with your line and think that a call is warranted here. It's an easy board for you to reraise your draws on as it's connected, which means he is susceptible to act in the same way.

May I ask what your decision was and, if you called, what villain showed up with?
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Old 02-23-2018, 09:00 AM   #4
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

i think its easy call.

you beat AA,AK, K9s,J9s, KQ and KT in spade and all Ax in spade and you have only 36bb behind.
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Old 02-23-2018, 09:36 AM   #5
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

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Value hands are the sets and worse 2p, potentially J9s. AK spades could be viable here with a decent level of equity. I'd agree with your line and think that a call is warranted here. It's an easy board for you to reraise your draws on as it's connected, which means he is susceptible to act in the same way.

May I ask what your decision was and, if you called, what villain showed up with?
Hi. I ended up tank folding.
It might have been a losing session so I was more tempted to fold. It sucks because I never get to see that same spot again and villain was the type of player who I could call against.
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:43 PM   #6
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

You did all the work: 33% odds, put him on a range, see if you have 33%

I'd say you can't exclude KQ, AK, AA at this stack size from jamming, and then you are easily over 33%

He might also jam some weaker hands this short: KT, T8s, maybe T9s

So I don't think folding is reasonable at all

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It sucks because I never get to see that same spot again and villain was the type of player who I could call against.
I don't think this is a useful perspective. You generally will never see the same postflop spot again, but even if you did, what does it matter.
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:15 PM   #7
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

Thanks for the reply Internet.

One more crucial fact is the 3x CO open. 50bb deep I'm folding most suited Queens.
This board crushes CO's range so I'm not really check/raising any FD really.
For these reasons I think villain has to assume that my XR is very strong.
T8 I would not xr since it's dominated draw.

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I don't think this is a useful perspective. You generally will never see the same postflop spot again, but even if you did, what does it matter.
There's couple of crazy guys in the pool while most regs are very solid or lean towards passive side. This was the craziest guy who I should not be making big folds against.
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:47 AM   #8
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

I wouldn’t over think it. Top two w/50BB stack. If you’re on the other side of this hand you’re probably jamming the ss a lot wider than the range you’re assigning
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:13 PM   #9
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

Don't lie, you played this at $10nl and just change the decimal place.
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Old 03-28-2018, 07:34 PM   #10
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Re: 1k 50bb KJ 2p wet board facing flop shove

Hello fellow grinders;

Here's a bit detailed analysis on both ranges and call's justification.

Hero's range :
Given the action untill now, our check/raise range looks something like :
Straights : QTs(4)
Sets : JJ(3); 99(3) ;
2pairs: KJ(9);J9s(3);K9s(2);
Nut flush draw : AQ;AT;A8;A7;A6;A5;A4;A3;A2 suited of spades (9)
Small flush draws : T8;87;76;65;54 suited of spades (5)
Open ended straight draw : T8s(3)
Eventhough I think it's better to be check calling the ones that have some showdown equity.
This brings us to 42 combos.
If we want to make an unexploitable call, we can calculate the MDF
Pot is 365 we need to call 750, so MDF = 365/(365+750)=30%
Meaning theorically we need to defend 14 of the best of our combos :
Straights : QTs(4)
Sets : JJ(3); 99(3) ;
OESFD : Ts8s(1)
Some 2 pairs : KJ(3) without king of spades that blocks out opponent's flush draws.
I think that our hand here makes a good candidate for calling specially that the hand started
50 B.B. deep which doesn't requires stacking off with premiums only.

Villain's range:
Our opponent's range according to his actions so far looks something like this :
AA;KK;JJ;99
AK;AsQs;AsTs;As8s;
KsQs;KsTs;KJo;
QTs;8s7s;7s6s;6s5s
By putting this range in the Equilab Vs our KhJc, we have 54% of the time
the best hand. Given that our pot odds are 40% I think this is a profitable call

I hope I have been for some use, and I welcome all the critics and opinions
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