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10/10 NL live   AJo bb   what you think ? 10/10 NL live   AJo bb   what you think ?

01-22-2019 , 10:54 AM
Hi guys,

we need your help to see each street what would be the best line.

it's CG 10/10 live

all fold and 3 players left

BTN it's a fish raising and calling stack 1600
SB Vilain REG tight 1200
BB hero 1000

Btn raise 50
SB call 50
bb hero with AJo call

FLOP POT 150 A Q 8 rainbow
SB vilain check
bb hero check
btn fish bet 120
sb vilain call 120
bb hero call 120

Turn Pot 510 J ( A Q 8) all 4 colors
SB vilain check
BB hero bet 280
btn fish fold
sb vilain call 280

Rivere Pot 1070 9 ( A Q 8 J ) no flush possible
SB vilain bet 390
Hero ??? decide to call because of pot %
Vilain Show A9o


In this case we win...but i'm wondering what you would change on this line..
and speaking with friends with have doubt about:

Preflp:
1) is not better to 3bet preflop and hoping the reg fold and playing against the fish ? or still better to just call AJ

FLop:
can we check raise the A Q 8 ? or better to sill call ?

Turn:
betting Half pot seem ok.. but 1/3 tird woul not be better ?

River:
....

THanks for your help to have your opinion on it.
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01-24-2019 , 08:39 AM
3bet or call pre is fine. I like 3bet pre as you'll have position on the reg and might get called by fish any way.

Post flop is fine unless you think fish will bet the turn if checked to again.
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01-29-2019 , 06:45 AM
Thank you Just_grindin for the feedback
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01-30-2019 , 07:46 AM
I Think u should raise river to get calls from worse hand's
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02-03-2019 , 12:38 PM
3bet pre, call is okay sometimes, but 3bet better imo, especially with the tight reg being squeezed in between you and the fish. just calling flop is best i think. turn bet is good. i like a river raise actually because i would expect straights, sets, and AQ holdings by the SB to be raised on the turn....not all the time, but i think in this specific hand you can comfortably raise for value.
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02-04-2019 , 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarheel234
3bet pre, call is okay sometimes, but 3bet better imo, especially with the tight reg being squeezed in between you and the fish. just calling flop is best i think. turn bet is good. i like a river raise actually because i would expect straights, sets, and AQ holdings by the SB to be raised on the turn....not all the time, but i think in this specific hand you can comfortably raise for value.
Can we really "comfortably" raise for value when V showed A9o. AT is just as likely then correct? Are we getting called by a worse 2 pair often enough to make this profitable with a 4 card straight on the board? I'd expect calls from AQ, sets, and straights, and folds from hands we are ahead of but maybe my read is off. The fish folded the turn so we are playing against a tight REG. Only 12 combos of A8, A9 that we beat and make get a call from (but still will fold at some frequency vs tight REG right?). 23 combos of AQ, QQ, JJ, AT, 88 that have us beat, we can discount some of these combos due to how the hand played but it still seems super thin.
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02-08-2019 , 06:11 AM
thanks for the answers guy's.

River i'm not fan to raise... agree with cornbr34d.

But Flop what do you think about raise ?
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02-08-2019 , 09:39 AM
Pre / Flop / River all seem good to me, and the turn donk was excellent. Excellent hand WP


Pre raise isnt awful but way too thin. Are you bluffing or for value? AJ is perfect calling hand

Don't raise flop this is a clear call

Turn great play it checks around way too often here, many players including myself likely miss spots like this and default check but it seems like a great time to donk

Raising river is spew

Last edited by TheSamasaurus; 02-08-2019 at 09:50 AM.
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02-10-2019 , 04:33 PM
Won’t villain show up with a lot more value hands that beat us in this spot? Like we just happened to run into bottom two instead of a set or 10x
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02-10-2019 , 06:53 PM
Preflop depends on your opponents calling range against a 3b. AJo is a 3b preflop when BTN raises and SB flats most of the time; however if BTN is folding a lot to 3b's, just flat. The fact that SB flats here incentivizes us to 3b because a) extra money in the pot pre, so more incentive to win pre and deny equity, and b) AJo will do better HU than 3 way. SB will fold virtually 100% and if not, it should be easy to play against. Also we are OOP vs the opener, so playing our good hands aggressively is the best way to neutralize positional advantage.

River is likely close between call and fold. Raising is completely out of the question. His range on river (lets keep in mind he check called two and led river) is QJ (discounted), JT, AT and A9 (discounted slightly). Maybe 9Ts with a backdoor on flop. Based on raw hand combos its a call, but you have to be careful here because not everyone leads their two pairs in this spot. The default for most is to check two pair, and at the same time most will lead straights here. That makes this spot read dependent. The good odds make it tempting for sure and I cant entirely fault a call. I lean towards folding because I dont think he is ever bluffing here and I expect two pair to check probably half the time, and straights to almost always lead.

Think about it from his point of view - would you really want to lead A9 here? Or QJ? How often?
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02-10-2019 , 06:53 PM
Weird spot.. I think we have to call because of price and his line doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
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02-12-2019 , 07:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chocLatee
Won’t villain show up with a lot more value hands that beat us in this spot? Like we just happened to run into bottom two instead of a set or 10x
Clear pot odds. nh. I do prefer 3-betting slightly unless the reg is incredibly sticky but flat is fine.
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02-13-2019 , 10:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarheel234
3bet pre, call is okay sometimes, but 3bet better imo, especially with the tight reg being squeezed in between you and the fish. just calling flop is best i think. turn bet is good. i like a river raise actually because i would expect straights, sets, and AQ holdings by the SB to be raised on the turn....not all the time, but i think in this specific hand you can comfortably raise for value.
Raising the river is simply bad unless you have a read that he would always check-raise a better hand. Weak players always bet the 10 here because they are afraid you'll check back the river, and they will always fold without the 10.
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02-17-2019 , 12:40 AM
Seems like stars aligned for a 3bet squeeze pre, AJo is a good candidate for that move. Especially vs BTN opening range fish plus a tight reg in SB who's capped himself, and will be playing OOP.
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